And it’s not just “Baby it’s cold outside.” It’s also the one where Santa is basically the NSA, or where grandma gets run over by the reindeer, or…a lot of other things. So basically respect people’s requests to skip those, or just don’t add them to your playlist. Holidays are supposed to be fun, not telling you to glorify the surveillance state (Santa Claus is Coming to Town) or do nice things for abusers (Rudolph).
—Golbat
I totally agree with the sentiment of this post, and with not playing certain songs if they make people present uncomfortable.
But I think saying that Santa claus is coming to town “glorifies the surveillance state” and Rudolph is about doing “nice things for abusers” is at best melodramatic, and honestly ridiculous.
I mean really? Like um, what are you listening to here?
Santa knowing everything is creepy, sure, but how do you get from there to “glorifying the surveillance state”?idk but I never liked Rudolph as a song because the only reason the other reindeer stop bullying him is because he was suddenly useful to them, so the moral is “don’t bully people because they might turn out to be useful to you”?? it just reall bothers me
I mean, I always read it as Rudolph getting one over the bullies by being essential to Santa, but that’s valid too.
But basically it can’t possibly be “do nice things for abusers” because Santa and the reindeers are different entities.that’s kinda bullshit, though. santa could have stepped in at any time. he chose not too until he actually needed rudolph. he was complicit in the bullying by his inaction.
Is there any evidence Santa even knew about it? And I don’t think he ever intervened, he just did something that coincidentally made Rudolph cool. And anyway, complicit in abuse is not the same thing as abuser.
(I kind of love how this has become a serious discussion about Rudolph the red nosed reindeer)
i think that if santa knows when kids are sleeping/awake bad/good he’d know what his own workers are doing.
also, i couldn’t find any hard data on the average lifespan of magical reindeer, but you’d think he’d at least notice at some point, like this had to have been going on for years
But that’s a different song!
It’s never really established how much contact he has with the reindeer. It’s totally plausible that he only sees them once a year, on Christmas eve.
Anything else is, when it comes down to it, essentially your headcanon. And feel free to do that, but it doesn’t make it canon.you’re being just as bad as that futurepotus asshole just because you don’t aggre with it doesn’t mean you can just invalidate how other people feel about it i am literally crying right now
I am very sorry I made you cry, I didn’t mean to invalidate your feelings. And honestly, I had no idea this was such an emotional issue for you.
I’m going to try and articulate why discussing what is and isn’t actually part of the song shouldn’t invalidate your feelings. I think I’ve gone out of my way to explain that you can feel however you want about this, but here we go again.
Ok, there is a difference between ‘this song is creepy’ (we shall label this 1) and ‘I am creeped out by this song’ (2). It is totally OK for you feel 2 for whatever reasons you want. You can make up whatever theories you want about rudolph’s backstory and decide that it is creepy, and feel however you want about it. That’s totally fine. Trying to make statement 1 simply because you feel 2 is not the same. You can’t just demand other people feel the same way about something because of your personal feelings about a thing, especially when these are totally unsupported by the text.
Saying that the stuff you made up about the song doesn’t make the actual song, independent of your speculation, creepy, isn’t invalidating your feelings. It’s a discussion of what the actual song contains.
You can’t just make stuff up and decide that people who think your speculations are, you know, speculations, not actual facts about the song are somehow invalidating your feelings. You are entitled to feel creeped out by the song. You aren’t entitled to dictate other people’s feelings on the matter or declare your headcanons a thing other people should consider when talking about the actual song.
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