You know what? Iâve had it. Iâve had it with posting vague shit and having friends come to me in private and say they agree but are too afraid to say anything in public. Iâm sick of seeing only a couple other people vague blogging and also being largely publicly ignored. Iâm sick of pretending that whatâs happening in my fandom isnât toxic bullying of the worst sort.
So Iâm just going to come out and say it.
The Supernatural fandom IS NOT TRASH.
Look, Iâm sorry about whatâs happened to Euclase. Anyone with a heart would be sorry to see a fellow human and fan bullied and abused. But what Iâm seeing now is the bullied becoming the bully. What Iâm seeing is a Big Name Fan using her platform to publicly, noisily, and cruelly shit on an entire fandom, as well as going after individuals who donât support her in the precise way she wants to be supported. 99% plus of us have never done a damn thing to her, and many of us think sheâs wonderful, skilled, and amazing. And instead of this being treated as a âa few bad eggsâ situation itâs instead become âone bad apple spoils the bunch.â Weâre all being told collectively we have to apologize for what a handful of people have done. Weâre getting accused of victim blaming. Weâre being compared to #notallmen.
Iâve known hundreds of people in the online Supernatural fandom over the years. You know who we predominately are? Queer women suffering from mental illnesses who have ourselves been bullied, assaulted, and/or abused. To compare us to the dominate patriarchal norms of modern society and say that we as an online fandom are sheltering abusers by not calling them out is fucking insane. Iâm sorry, I know Iâm not making the most cogent argument, but Iâve been watching this go on for weeks and Iâm beyond furious. Honest to fucking god if any of us actually knew who was sending the anonymous hate donât you think weâd expose them? This isnât a case of âthe one frat dude who jokes about rape in the locker room not getting called on it.â This is all of us collectively looking around helplessly going, âwe donât know who is responsible either and we want to see it stop but we donât know how to help.â And then being told in the most toxic terms that because we donât know, because we canât stop the abuse, we are the same as the abusers.
This is fucking bullshit.
A lot of us are standing up and saying we want to help, but unless we say it in a way that accepts culpability weâre getting shot down, accused of peddling platitudes, accused of deliberarely sheltering these horrible people in our midst. That is *fucking nuts.* And seeing it passed off as normal discourse – seeing it go around that the only way I can show support is by agreeing that the fandom that is full of the most wonderful people Iâve ever met is garbage – this so-called discourse being bruited around as normal is the most toxic thing I have personally witnessed in my 20+ years in online fandoms.
Iâve said nothing, because Iâm scared, because I donât want to bring the anger and the anonymous hate and the public shaming by Euclase/EliciaDonze down on myself.
But I have HAD IT.
I have never sent anonymous hate. I have received anonymous hate. I have been in the Supernatural fandom for almost a decade, have made some of my closest friends here, had people whoâd never set eyes on me in real life support me through months when I was suicidal and depressed. This fandom *does* en masse believe in Always Keep Fighting. This fandom *is* mostly good people, a family, forming the wonderful support network on which so many of us depend. Weâre not a fucking shadow organization spying on our neighbors looking for the Evil one (Iâm reminded of that post that includes the line âI saw Goody Procter talking to the devil and she had a bad Steven Universe head canonâ). Weâre a collective of widely disparate people, the vast majority of whom are just trying to be the best people we can be every day. Yes we make mistakes. Yes we can be unwittingly cruel. Yes Supernatural is a deeply flawed show in a lot of ways. But to say that all of us are party to this deliberate baiting and cruelty is fricken madness and is utterly untrue.
Flat out. If I knew who was sending hate, Iâd out them. Iâd shame them. Iâd ostracized them. I HAVE DONE SO, AS HAVE OTHERS, with the âDesti-ew-erâ anti crowd. When we know who the antis are, they DO get called out and left to play their hate games amongst themselves. Iâve seen that happen repeatedly.
We donât know who is sending the hate to Euclase. We are not sheltering these people intentionally in our midst. Tell me a concrete, actual way I can help and I will do it. But I refuse to condemn my dearest friends, my online family. I refuse to condemn an entire fandom based on the actions of a few. And I flat out refuse to continue to keep my mouth shut about this manipulative bullying simply because Iâm scared.
I *am* scared. I donât want to get hate. I donât want to bring this storm down on myself.
But the Supernatural fandom as a whole isnât trash and Iâm fucking sick of seeing it called that.
Give us a specific monster to fight and weâll fight it. Until then, Iâm tremendously sorry for the hate Iâve seen Euclase get but Iâve sent none of it, will swear none of my friends have either, and I refuse to apologize for something I have never done – both in that I have never sent anon hate to anyone in my life, and also that I am not knowingly sheltering anyone else who has done so. And I donât need a personal pat on the back nor am I looking for one. Iâm looking to have toxic manipulative bullying stop being tossed around as if itâs normal. Iâm sick of all my friends saying privately they agree with my past vague blogs but theyâre too scared publicly to speak up. Iâm sick of seeing this group become riddled by fear and divided over this insanity.
Iâm speaking up.
This – both the anonymous hate AND the public group shaming – has to stop.
This isnât normal.
I donât like to get into wank, but I one hundred percent support this. The fandom is made up of wonderful, good people who arenât hateful. I donât know why this artist alone gets so much hate, but itâs not representative of the SPN fandom and it shouldnât be used to defame us.
I too avoid wank and this may lose me followers, but iâm sick of it too. When i first heard about this crap, i felt really bad for the artist concerned. I offered help, advice and support and she basically told me to fuck off before her minions descended to tell me how wrong my response (offering support, WTF?)was. So i blocked her and a whole bunch of other people. WE ARE NOT TRASH, we cannot police what we cannot see, we know there are arseholes in the fandom. Iâve been in this fandom since the beginning, there have always been idiots. but 99% of people are lovely supportive good people. This whole thing is turning into the worst kind of emotional manipulation. Â
Name and shame, folks. And block, block, block. That’s the only thing that stops anon/non-anon hate. Hell, I’ll block sometimes for what seems like a stupid reason, but it’s only to help me.
– Lucifer ending up connected to Sam, no matter how hard everybody wishes to keep them separated (Sam being his vessel/Sam owing him his resurrection);
– Cas following Dean to the end, no matter how hard some people try to keep them separated. Cas being separated from the angels, and living on Earth with Dean – and also slowly losing his powers;
So what is different this time?
Dean and Cas are not alone – they have Mary, Jack, Gabriel, Rowena. Even Sam is not gone this time, even though he somehow ended up striking a deal with Lucifer (which was super unlikely only a week ago, but hey, fate is fate, even if itâs flipped fate). Dean and Cas have their family around them, and the sense of hopelessness is at least not based in the fact that âthey only have each otherâ. (Also, last time Chuck was there with them, now Mary is there with them. With Chuck around everything was miserable. With Mary around, things look better. Make what you want of it.)
Cas is stuck on Earth and slowly becoming a human (câmon, he is SO HUMAN this season!), but NOT because the angels left him behind – he actually is here because he wants to be here. He is losing his angelic powers, but it is not a tragedy as it was in the end!verse. Far from it – what in the end!verse destroyed him, is actually completely flipped, his depression gone, him being better than in a long time. His staying on Earth is his strength, not his weakness as Zachariah (and an endless queue of other creatures afterwards) predicted it would be.Â
[Castiel away from heaven: expectations vs reality. Reality wins this time.]
Zachariah, the creator of the end!verse, likes to think of himself as a master manipulator, the minister of propaganda, the one messing with peopleâs minds. In reality, he misses the point so badly, as illustrated this season by his trying to get to Jack by showing him different images that totally miss the mark. He doesnât understand the brothers, he doesnât understand Castiel. (Do you remember his âerotically codependentâ line? Well, AU Zachariah puts them in one bedroom when he gives a vision to Jack, so there is that. Once again he missed the point, because the codependency is weakest ever this season.)Â
At the end of âThe Endâ Dean tells Cas to never change – and yet Cas did change, and he changed not only because he stayed on Earth and because he was around Dean, but also because he was always destined to change. This change turned out to not be for the worse, as Zachariah was predicting and Dean dreaded. Zachariah may have understood fate, but he didnât understand free will, choosing your own destiny – and he didnât understand love.
I think (and hope) we are about to see Dean in the situation where he will face AU Castiel, and by this he will see exactly what he was asking for when he asked Cas to never change at the end of 5×04. Because AU Castiel will be what Cas would have turned out to be if he had stayed with heaven, with Zachariah, with Michael, if he hadnât choose free will. If he didnât change. Our Cas made his own choices, he didnât end up Zachariahâs way (depressed and broken), or heavenâs way (robo-Castiel, soldier for life). Dean tried to keep Cas from Deanâs own terrible influence, but in reality Deanâs influence was the best that couldâve happened to Cas, as we can see now – facing this new, ultimate apocalypse he is in better place than ever. Dean and Cas must eventually see it too.
[Compare and contrast: Cas waiting 2009 AD and Cas waiting 2018 AD]
Another good difference is the fact that this time around Sam is not gone, Sam is not dead (any more)(even though he is bound to Lucifer again – owing your life to your abuser is a terrible connection, but it is one), he is at Deanâs side.
The question is: will the last similarity be Dean wishing he could say yes to Michael this time around as well (just like end!verse Dean did)? Weâll see. A lot of stuff is not like the end!verse, but Dean is still defeated because as much as he has grown since 2009, his self worth is still super low. He sees his only value in being useful, in helping people, saving people, and he fails miserably at it this year (in his own mind, that is). He couldnât save his family members, and even though they all came back to him now, he counts it as a loss, and a failure in his self-hating mind. Â
HE IS SO DESPERATE FOR A WIN, HE CANâT SEE STRAIGHT.Â
I think he if says yes to Michael, our Michael, it will be to get rid of the other Michael – which at the moment sounds like the title idea from the book of worst possible ideas (dude, Michael is a monster, and if you think our Michael will be better than AU Michael, you are delusional), and I think in the long run it will be his win – just like Cas choosing to save Jack sounded like the worst possible idea last year, and we know how that turned out.
Bonus points if he repeats endverse!Deanâs arguments.
In the meantime he will âdieâ, and then will come back. âDeathâ and resurrection, always the point of change, and a change for the better it will be – since it would be almost impossible for it to be a change for the worse right now. Dean is following Casâ story – Dean will follow Casâ path to recovery, to getting better (choice that seems bad that will turn out to be a good choice that will lead to good stuff, to death and to resurrection as a better man) that will in the meantime be painful for everybody involved.
This end!verse we are living right now is 1000 times better than the Zachariah-created one, but Dean still doesnât see it. He still is sitting too deeply in his own issues, and there must come something huge that will turn his existence upside down for him to finally see that the self-sacrificing, depressing ending where everybody dies is not The End anymore.Â
Just as the viewers have to finally see it.Â
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I am so freaking glad someone finally made a beautiful post that puts into words what Iâve been thinking (and feeling) about Apocalypse World all season long. Gorgeous. Thank you.
So I was just home for a bit to visit my parents/help them move a bunch of stuff into storage while they finally Install AC into thier house, which means I got to see Arwen, and Arwen got to see my dog, Charleston Chew.
Arwen is a Husky/Kelpie mix that was trained in prison as an Autism Service Dog and when sheâs not wroking she gets up to All Kinds Of Bullshit. Sheâs eight years old now and still a little asshole, but beginning to slow down, and as such has decided to take Charlie on as an Apprentice Asshole.
[Image Description: Two dogs on leashes standing on a boardwalk with thier butts toward the photographer, who is holding the leashes with one hand and taking the picture with the other, like a moron. Arwen, the dog on the left, Is fat and very fluffy, and looking for rabbits to eat. Charlie, the dog on the right is skinny with noth much hair, and also looking for a bunny dinner. They are both a simmilar black-and-tan pattern that makes people ask if theyâre rottweilers or dobermans, despite being neither.
This picture is taken about 2.68 seconds before the dogs locate a bunny and pull the photographer of thier feet as they launch themselves after it like short, hairy rockets. The Photographer suffers minor injuries, and the rabbit is unharmed.]
Some of the nonsense Arwen taught Charlie this time around:
Arwen recognizes herself in mirrors, and likes to check her own ass out in the full-length mirror in my parentâs bathroom. Charlie has, after a year and a half of glaring suspiciously at the glass door of my oven, figured out that there is not another dog in there, but hadnât quite grokked that itâs HIS reflection.  I came upstairs a few times to find them sitting in front of the mirror, where Arwen would carefully paw at the glass a few times until Charlie did the same, then, when he was watching the reflections, bop him on the nose. The last day we were there, Charlie was sitting in front of the mirror, bopping it, then, with the most intense look of concentration Iâve ever seen, carefully pawed his own face.
Back in March, my parents took Arwen down to the lake and to the end of the boat dock to watch the sunset because it was warm enough to do that, but Dogs canât see enough colors to really appreciate sunsets, so Arwen was looking into the water instead and there happened to be some carp hanging out around the dock and to quote my mother: âI knew the exact second she spotted them because itâs the same face she makes when she realizes you have a treat for her. Thank goodness i let go of the leash in time.â Arwen is sometimes affectionately called âShort Bearâ for her wierd style of climbing trees, but given the way she forcibly launched herself into the water and stayed under for a good minute before tirumphantly re-surfacing with a carp in her mouth and a gleeful expression of âHOLY SHIT THE LAKE IS FULL OF SNACKS!!â weâre probably going to have to add âsealâ to the list of probable creatureâs sheâs related to.
What this translated to in the most recent visit is that sheâs now team-fishing with Charlie. Charlie is from Arizona and is extremely distrustful of any body of water deeper thhan his ankles but heâs a good sprinter and was taught how to hunt by cats so he pounces on things. So we go down to the off-leash section of the lake with is a sort of small inlet with a short-but-steep cliff around the beach and a set of gated stairs. Arwen jumps from the stairs to the top of the cliff, then walks out until sheâs at the mouth of the inlet, while charlie stands at the shore, complaining about this bullshit plan.  When she gets to the mouth of the inlet, she belly-flops in, taking a sandy section of cliff in with her, then dives and swims as fast as she can towards the shore. This flushed all the fish that had been sunning themselves in the inlet towards the shallow water at the shore, whereupon Charlie takes an spectacular leap and pounces on another carp, trying to grapple it with his paws until Arwen got there to actually bite the thing. This also resulted in me, a dumbass human shrieking âNO DAMMIT, DONâT EAT FUCKING CARP ITâS GARBAGE FISHâ and running out into the lake to seperate them from the fish, which meant pulling it out of Arwenâs mouth and throwing it back into the lake- -Almost hitting my poor neighbor Dottie as her grandchildren paddle her by in the canoe. This woman hates me, and rightly so.
When we got her, the adoption agency warned us that Arwen was âChattyâ which is a polite way of saying âThis dog likes to yell a lot, especially if the humans are also being loudâ. It took a while, but Mom eventually trained Arwen to stop yelling by bending over so Arwen makes eye contact, holding a finger up to her mouth and going âSHHhhhhâŚâ which is her signal to take it downa few notches. Sometimes dogs need you to be quiet to realize they should be quiet. So Arwenâs at Youth Correctioanl Serivces, doing therapy work with one of the Kids there, and heâs having a bad day and yelling angrily about absolutely everything. Being upset is ok, and expressing emotions is OK but rasing your voice and swearing isnât an effective means of communication so the therapist is trying to get him to slow down. The Kid doesnât want to listen to him, and keeps yelling, so Arwen jumps up to stand in his lap and put her face in his and exhales very loudly, which makes a sort of â HHHHHHhhhh..!â sound. Kid stops, confused, and Arwen gives him a kiss for it. They repeat this a few more times in the session, where Kid starts raising his voice and Arwen goes âHHHHHHhhhh!â at him until he slows down and lowers his voice again. âWhat is she doinâ?â he eventually asks, becuase this is new behavior. âOH.â Mom goes, suddenly realizing. She explainâs Arwenâs SHH! command â-since her mouth wonât make a shush sound, sheâs trying her best.â âYou Shushinâ me dog? You shushinâ Me!?â He asks her. Arwen: WAAAAAARRR-! Kid: SHH! Arwen: HHHH! Kid: â⌠Alright.â
When I leash up the dogs for a walk, they have to be sitting and quiet or I wonât leash them to go outside. Arwen has got this down, but Charlieâs still working on it, and managed to Sit, but was yelling in excitement. Charlie: AAAA! AAAYAAAA! AAAA!! Arwen, kicking him in the face so heâll look at her: HHHHHH! Charlie: â..?â She proceded to do this Every. Single. Time. charlie made noise in her vicinity because even though heâs her favorite dog, sheâs also still a shithead that likes to boss him around and play games like âIâm gonna sit right next to the toy basket but not actually look at it and mock-charge charlie every time he tries to get a toy, ebcuase making him sneak up on me is HILARIOUS.â so he eventually gets the idea that âHHH!â means âSHUT UP!â âŚWe get home to Durango and My Fiance is playing games online with headphones and getting excited and yelling, so Charlie jumps on the couch, paws him in the face and goes âHHHH! HHHH!â and I fall out of my chair laughing.
Weâre walking on one of the trails and thereâs a super-family of geese, where six adults have shoved thier broods into one large horde of fluff thatâs easier to herd and protect as a group. Charlie is already backing up at the preliminary warning honks, becuase he knows from cats and that things that puff up and hiss at you also tend to be Sharp And Mean, but Arwen looks at this as decides that this is really Six Entrees and roughly 20 desserts, and I have half a second to lock her leash before she completely launches herself mouth-first at Goose Dinner.Â
The geese, Unfortunately, falter in thier defense and minutely shuffle away from her.
I have the dogs on harnesses for long hikes, and manage to haul her back, as the dogs share the following telepathic conversation: Charlie: TheyâŚScatter? Not sharp? Maybe.. Eatable? Arwen: TOTALLY EATABLE. Charlie: HOLY SHIT! EATABLE! Arwen: HELL YEAH!!! Geese: Aw piss, they smell fear, we gotta fuck them up now.
So I ended up slogging up the trail, holding a 55-lb dog in each ahnd by the harness, trying to keep them from gobbling up goslings while no less than six geese tried to beat the shit out of me because I am Tallest, even though Iâm the only one not trying to eat thier children. It looked very dramatic from my perspective- time slows down during adrenaline rushes and itâs all rain and mud and feathers and dog teeth and the horrible grooved tonges geese have and eventually one of them bites the shit outta my eyebrow and we go full art-film as the blood gets in my eyes and Iâm left literally seeing red. Alfred Hitchcock is doing dramatic lighting from beyond the grave. O Fortuna is playing.
A quarter mile later weâre finally far enough away that the geese feel like they can retreat, and there are no casualties except me. I get home and my dad thinks Iâve been jumped until he sees the goose shit in my hair.Â
The dogs are extremely gleeful about the whole thing and Charlie keeps checking the river out here for geese.
She also tried to teach him to flush the toilet for fresh running water but I caught them before that lesson could be imparted. Â
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im incredibly conflicted by the phrase âthe question is not who will let me but who will stop meâ because on one hand its so fucking raw and powerful but on the other hand itâs derived from ayn rand but on yet another hand the first and primary time ive ever seen it was on a picture of a lawnmower flying through the sky which is the perfect level of absurd and nonsensical that would piss ayn rand off
i didnt realise ao3 was started in response to lj deleting account relating to p//edophi|ia and they explicitly support the posting of such works yikes
it wasnât, like, ~~~we luv pedophilia, it was way more complicated than that!
although itâs true AO3 does allow all fannish content provided itâs properly warned for, thereâs a long history there – of spaces being used by fans until the host decided whatever we were doing was too weird and distasteful and either kicking us off, banning certain content, or changing the nature of the site until it was no longer viable as a host.
youâre referring to the LJ Strikethrough of 2007, which, being an ancient crone, I lived through, and since I was hanging out in the last vestiges of SGA and in bandom, I saw some of the fallout. this was before LJ was sold to the Russians (which is a whole ânother story), when it was still owned by Six Apart; in an effort to clean up LJâs act, Six Apart decided to delete all accounts using tags like underage, incest, rape, etc.
this was supposed to get rid of actual child porn on the site, and I hope it did, but it also targeted fan communities. this was a problem for a couple reasons; for one thing, not every story tagged with these words is in favor of them; for another, these things happen to real people and these personal posts were also potentially in danger of being attacked; for the last one, look, I ainât into this kind of fic but people write about what people write about, and if itâs fictional and not explicitly banned in the TOS (correct me if Iâm wrong; I donât think written content about this stuff was banned?) then itâs not cool for a content host to just start deleting communities without warning.
but thatâs what happened! these deletions were also primarily targeting slash communities, which smacked of some serious homophobia since things were deleted that had nothing to do with any of this kind of content.
eventually someone found out it was this super conservative religious group whoâd sent a list of journal names to Six Apart, and who if I remember correctly targeted slash fic on purpose, even after it became clear that the fic was, well, totally fictional. after a while, Six Apart admitted theyâd made a mistake and started to reinstate journals, but all of fandom was pretty shaken up.
THEN Boldthrough happened, which was essentially the same debacle several months later, at which point fandom began its long slow migration from LJ to GJ, IJ, and eventually AO3, Twitter, and tumblr.
AO3 was opened in 2008 in response to several incidents, of which Strikethrough was a really intense one. remember, also, that back in 2008 the stigma surrounding fandom was significantly greater and more shameful than it is today, so finding hosts willing to archive fic was difficult unless someone had the dough to pay for server space – often not an option. this was also back when fanfic.netâs HTML restrictions were so great that users couldnât use any special characters or bold or italicize anything, and it didnât allow R-rated content, so it was clearly not ideal. in addition, although cease & desist letters were much less common than they were in the early 2000s and before, DMCA takedowns were still a phantom on the horizon.
LONG STORY SHORT, even though pedophilia is reprehensible and I personally cannot stomach fanfic that involves that kind of content, AO3 was founded specially as a safe space for fandom communities that could not find homes elsewhere. it requires warnings precisely for that reason, and if you find a story that is not properly warned, you can alert the admins and get the story labeled appropriately.
IDK, maybe itâs just because I am, again, ancient, but I was in and around fandom before homosexuality was legal in all 50 states. so were most of the people who started AO3. for most of my formative life, being gay was associated with pedophilia, and so was writing about gay characters. just – itâs a lot more complicated than you might expect, and thereâs a reason many older fans who have been involved in several generations of fandom were so grateful to have AO3 as an option.
I donât read, for example, Hydra Trash Party fics. They squick me, and I generally feel they are pretty gross. But writing noncon body-horror is not the same as saying âyeah, I totally want to go out and rape and torture people for years while brainwashing them!â or even âyeah, I wouldnât do it myself, but it would be totally okay if someone did!â Nobody is hurt by it, and nobody is going to be hurt by it. So should I have the right to go, that is gross, you donât get to write or read that? No.
In the same way, writing about underage teens getting it onâsometimes with each other, sometimes with adults, sometimes consensually, sometimes notâis not the same as child pornography, nor does reading a fic about Hermione and Snape getting it on while she was his student mean someone thinks that would be a good and/or healthy thing in real life.
Fiction affects reality, but fiction is not reality. And writing about something does not mean you want to do it in real life, or believe that anyone should.
Letâs take a closer look at that âAo3 supports pedophilia!â shall we?
1) The only fics I have ever come across that had actual pedophilia (i.e. someone having sex with a child), it was clearly and explicitly abuse. It was not meant to titillate or arouse. It was meant to horrify. It was seldom explicit.
2) Thereâs a lot more incest, but it is usually portrayed either as explicitly mutually consensual (i.e. Sam/Dean) or as abusive.
3) Iâve been in fandom for a decade and a half. When people start getting upset at âomg pedophilia, think of the children!â the fics they are usually objecting to arenât actually pedophilia. Usually, it is teenagers having sex, especially queer sex. And people donât like that, and use pedophilia as an excuse to shame people for writing/reading sex they donât like.
Letâs look closer at Strikethrough, shall we? I hope that, if there were any communities of actual pedophiles on LJ, they got taken down, too. But here are some of the communities that got taken down that were not in any way supporting pedophilia and/or rape and/or incest that got taken down:
1) at least one support community for survivors of sexual abuse.
2) a literary book discussion group that was reading Lolita.
3) lots of slash fanfic communities, for things like Draco/Harry fic set in their fourth year (when both boys would have been 15).
Basically, this very conservative âfamily valuesâ group hated porn, and they hated queer stuff even more, and used âbut think of the children, itâs pedophilia!â to pressure LJ to get rid of huge swathes of things they didnât like. And one time taking down the worst of it wasnât good enough for them. No, this was step one on a moral crusade. If you acceded to their demands, all that did was whet their appetite, and soon they would be back with a new list of demands. This is why the 2007 strikethrough was not an isolated event, but rather one of a series of events, nor was LJ the only website thus targeted. It starts with anything that can get labelled âpedophiliaâ or âincestâ because thatâs low-hanging fruit. But they use that to go after anything relating to queer teen sexuality. Then anything with teen sexuality. Then once the community is already divided and diminished, they go after anything with non-con. Then whatever is next on their list. It doesnât stop until theyâve won the point and nothing but suitably âfamily-friendlyâ fics that match their purity test are allowed.
Which is why AO3 has no morality content in their terms of service. You canât break copyright beyond fair use (and AO3 has an expansive view of âfair useâ and a team of lawyers on call). You canât use AO3 for commercial advertising. And you canât post ACTUAL child pornography, i.e. the things that are legally prohibited, i.e. actual photographs or videos of actual children (not teens) in sexually explicit positionsâyou know, the stuff that actually hurts kids. Other than that? Itâs fair game. You can post anything you want, and the archive will not judge. There is no handle for the Moral Majority Family-Friendly Thought Police to latch onto, no cracks they can exploit to divide and conquer.
Weâve been down that road. It doesnât lead anywhere good.
Reblogging this for the excellent explanation of what exactly the moral crusaders did last time. They had an explicit agenda of anti-queerness, and they specifically targeted slash and femslash communities in particular, such that many ship communities became (or started as) deliberately members-only. You had to apply, and your personal blog had to look like a real person and a fan. You were vetted, a la 1990s private servers.
During this period, Dreamwidth was also targeted by attacking its payment processor. They had to get a new one. These âWarriorsâ (literally called themselves that!) were totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom they didnât like.
If youâre carrying out harassment of people right now because theyâre posting works with sexual elements you donât agree with? (And itâs always sex, never non-sexual violence, how strangeâŚ.) If youâre doing that, youâre also totally on board with destroying fandom as a side effect of destroying the parts of fandom you donât like. Because your tactics are fandom-destroying, and so is your agenda.
reblogging because this is important: strikethru and boldthru and all the various âpurgesâ that fandom went thru about 10 years ago: this had to do with OUTSIDERS deciding that fandom in general and fanfiction in specific were evil and needed to be destroyed; unless we were writing and shipping good vanilla M/F married people. These were outsiders, going after fictional writing about fictional characters.
AO3 and OTW are HUGE, because now we have an organization, with very smart women and a lot of lawyers, that have our back. Fannish history is important, people! It has not always been this way.
This is so, so important: thereâs that other post about AO3 and fanfiction floating around, about our history. People decry violent video games but no one is trying to force companies out of business. But people can and do attack fanfiction: an activity primarily written by women for women, about fictional characters. And often about sex. We have to constantly defend ourselves, protect ourselves, support each other against charges like âpaeodophiliaâ.
^^^rebageling again for excellent commentary
Throwing this in because I was also present: This was during the American Governmentâs attempts to pass censorship laws on the internet. As MOST of those domains had their serves in America, they were beholden to those censorship laws. A great deal of fanfiction.net was removed because they happened to lose a goddamn courtcase. Iâve been on the site since 2002. They may not have âofficiallyâ allowed NC-17 rated content (what it used to be listed as in the filters), it never did a damn thing to remove it. Ever. They had it listed as a rating option during âNew Storyâ uploading after all. It was i nthe search filters. After they lost the courtcase however, they legally had to start doing things about the mature content reports they got. The admins and mods were not actively looking for fic to remove, they were just responding to reports they had already received.Â
tl;dr – I know tumblr is all about black and white âyouâre either all right or all wrongâ thinking, but itâs important to understand what actually happened before going âew ao3 was made to give pedophiles a safe place to postâ because that is 110% not what happened.
This is why so, so many of the comparatively older fannish folks on tumblr like me are so vehemently against stuff like the anti movement and âall ships are valid UNLESSâ. It smacks of censorship and content policing – and weâve been there. We got our shit deleted and our accounts banned because someone else thought what we were reading or writing or talking about needed to just⌠not exist. No warning. Literally overnight. We just woke up and stuff was gone.
And yeah, the group was legit called Warriors for Innocence (or maybe of). I knew several people that were members of survivor/support groups that lost their groups – and their main support network – when Strikethrough happened (ten years ago holy shit).
You antis need to listen when us older fans tell you that the censorship youâre advocating for, when put into practice, is NOT a positive thing; itâs an extremely scary thing!
I can guarantee that you would be very, very upset if another event like LJ Strikethrough were to happen today because *you* are just as vulnerable as the rest of us! If you support the rights of marginalized groups of people, if youâre a slash or fem slash shipper, if you support gender identities that arenât defined by biological sex, if you care about representation, if you support women, if you have any kind of kink, if you care about fandom in any capacity beyond its eradication, YOU DO NOT ACTUALLY WANT THE SORT OF CENSORSHIP YOUâRE ADVOCATING!!
People were terrified during Strikethrough. Â I was there. Â Communities were being shut down, individual users were being shut down. Â People were losing access to their own fics, their feedback, their comments â a LOT went on in comments on LJ. Â Think more coherent reblogs, much more personal, very widespread. Â Comments were also very important, and in terms of networking/communicating, were absolutely critical. Â
LJ was, for many people, central. Â
It was a fundamental part of the infrastructure of fandom at the time. Â
Having it attacked, having parts of your fandomâs territory just deleted like that, was very very scary.  People didnât know who was next.  Every day, the list of stricken journals grew.  And not all of them came back, not all of them recovered their content.  Some people even voluntarily deleted their content as a form of protest.  It was a bad time.
You do not have to interact with fic that grosses you out or makes you uncomfortable.  Tagging is a thing.  And even outside of tags, you are responsible for curating your own fandom experience.  It is not right to expect it to be curated for you.  And it is not right to lash out when someone refuses to do so and expects you to walk away from things that do not concern you.
I was gonna say âthings that donât harm anyoneâ but I realize you can argue that.  If you get triggered, thatâs upsetting.  That could be considered harm.  And I have sympathy for that.  I do.
I have run across fic that triggered me. Â I have pretty specific triggers, and people donât always think to warn for them because they arenât that big a deal for a lot of people. Â Or itâs sort of bundled into kink and is presumed, that if youâre okay with certain kinds of kink, youâre okay with this. Â So Iâve been blindsided by it before. Â And it sucks for a couple of days while I get over it.
That was not the fault of the authors! You could argue that tagging should have been used, and maybe it should, but ultimately thatâs not an ironclad obligation. Â Itâs a tool people provide out of courtesy.
That was not the fault of the site! Â The site is there to give authors a way to make fiction available, not to judge each work and interrogate its validity and make sure everything is tagged so that nobody has to see anything bad, ever.
That was not even my fault! Â It was my responsibility to try to curate my experience, and I tried, but it wasnât my fault because I didnât deliberately set out to trigger myself.
When I get triggered, unless it is by a deliberate act, it is actually the fault of the people who hurt me in the first place! And I refuse to let them off the hook and blame perfectly innocent people who just wanna write their fanfiction! I may hate that fanfiction, but that is irrelevant to the question of whether or not people should be allowed to post whatever they want.
Also, some people cope by writing about fucked-up shit.  My best friend in the whole wide world has shared her fic with me, and HOO BOY it is messed up. She wrote it during a time in her life when she was in and just coming out of a horrifically abusive relationship.  I mean, it was exactly the kind of relationship all of us here on Tumblr love to hate.  She was married to a shitty, abusive man who preyed on someone younger than he was and used his influence over her to treat her in a way that would be right at home in that Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That? He was a real rapist, a verified grade-A bad fuckinâ guy.  (She was lucky to escape.  I have immense respect for her.)  And she wrote some fucked up fic to deal with it, and she shared it, and people were invested in it.  And because this was early 2000â˛s, she had to host it on a foreign server and cover her tracks, because at that time no-place was safe to post it.
âYeah, but if sheâs writing it for therapy, she doesnât have to post it where other people might have to see it!â I hear you say.
But like ⌠what the hell??? âShut up, donât talk about it, itâs bad to talk about these things, because these things are bad!â is something used against folks with trauma.
âThis isnât good for me, I canât talk about this, I canât be your audience for this,â thatâs fine, those are boundaries that people with trauma use to defend themselves. Â You should learn to say those things! Â It will help you!
But expecting other people to never create and share art about trauma is just so thunderously oppressive I lack the ability to fully articulate it.
And nobody should have to disclose their history of trauma to prove their motives are pure or virtuous enough for their speech to be protected.  Iâve only really been able to openly say âI was assaulted, it was traumatic, I am a little fucked up from itâ for the past couple of years, tops.  I couldnât talk about it before that.  Couldnât!  And it was over 20 years ago!
I also believe, very firmly, that you donât need a history of abuse to find writing really messed-up shit satisfying, or to find reading it cathartic. Â I believe 100% in the freedom of creative expression, and the freedom to read whatever fucked up shit you want to read.
All yâall fandom youngsters can spit nails all you want over gross rape fic, incest fic, whatever.
Fine, I donât like it either!
But that fucked up shit? Â That fucked up shit helped carve out the spaces we have today. Â You donât have to like it, but campaigning to get it deleted, harassing content creators, calling people rapists and pedophiles who have never done and would never ever do such a thing, that is not the way to improve the world, it doesnât keep actual kids or teens or assault/rape victims safe. Â It wouldnât have made me feel safe when I was 16 and didât want what was going on. Â It doesnât make me feel safe now. Â I can say with the perspective of someone 24 years away from that event, it doesnât make the world safer for people like I was. Â It actually makes it worse.
Learn to steer clear of the messed-up stuff you donât like.  Itâs a skill, you get better with practice.  Have someone else vet stuff for you if you need help doing it now.
Everything that is sketchy and gross is not criminal, and writing about a thing is not morally the same as doing it. Â Please stop acting like writing about an adult and a teenager having really questionable, gross sex is as bad as the actual registered sex offender they caught hanging around an actual elementary school two neighborhoods over from mine, just trying to talk to the kids. Â The former is, at most, in poor taste, and potentially triggering to abuse victims. Â The second makes me want to vomit because even though he was just talking, that guy was gearing up to try something and create another abuse victim. Â A g a i n. Â
The first can be avoided because it is imaginary and you, an adult, have power over your back button so that you donât have to witness harm to imaginary people.  The second, those very real kids had to rely on real adults and real law enforcement to keep them safe from very real assault. Â
(It worked! Â The neighborhood rallied! Â He was arrested for violating parole!)
Pretty sure Sleazebag McDongface didnât read some gross NC-17 Draco/Lucius fic before deciding to harm an actual human being. Â Pretty sure not having read it didnât keep him from doing it. âCause he fuckinâ did it. Â And he would have done worse. But actual people stopped him.
I get wanting to protect victims when so many of us are victims ourselves, but man, going after fiction is not the way to do it.
An author is not a perpetrator. Â Stop trying to make those things synonymous in the minds of other fans, and in the minds of other recovering victims.
Iâm a crone who also lived through strikethrough, and all y’all young fans need to read this and understand it if you donât want history to repeat itself someday.
Hereâs the thing, also: it doesnât stop with fic about objectionable stuff.
If you have a website with TOS that includes any kind of âobjectionable contentâ rules, there will be parties who will use those rules to try to silence other people whom they want silenced.
Letâs look at the alt-right and MRA movements today, or GamerGate a few years ago. What is one of their primary weapons? They report black or feminist or really any leftist YouTube channels (or Twitter accounts, or whatever) whose message they donât like and claim those channels are are violating TOS by posting hate speech or incitations to violence or whatever bullshit they can come up with, in an attempt to silence those channels.
When Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequence came under fire for starting a crowdfunding endeavor to fund the production of her Tropes vs. Women in Video Games series of videos, male gamers tried to get her KickStarter and various social media accounts shut down by reporting her for for hate speech and promoting terrorism.
Luckily, that became a big enough story that the dudes failed and their efforts backfired. But a lot of times, these tactics work.
How do I know this? Because it happened to me. Not over major shit like the examples above, but over something completely petty.
Back in the mid-to-late 90s, before LiveJournal really became the place for fandom, before FF.net was really a thing, you had to create your own personal website on whatever free webhost you could find (GeoCities was popular, but there were others) if you wanted to host your fic somewhere.
And back then, TV studios and book authors were still sending their lawyers after people who wrote fanfic, issuing cease and desist letters to not only the authors, but also to their webhosts.
At the time, I was writing perfectly het Mulder/Scully fanfic. No rape, no pedophilia, no slash. Maybe a little BDSM. But largely it was unobjectionable.
Then the 8th season of X-Files started, David Duchovny decided he only wanted to be involved part-time, and the show decided to bring in another male character. The fandom lost their shitâas fandoms doâover the idea of âreplacingâ Mulder blah blah blah.
One of the most popular fanfic mailing listsâone that had previously had no restrictions on what characters or pairings could be postedâdecided that if you wrote fanfic involving this character, you were no longer welcome. Well, this was the mailing list with all the readers. Sure, authors could go to other mailing lists, but they wouldnât have exposure to the sort of readership this other list boasted.
I spoke out, saying that this change was unfair to fic authors and that the moderator of this list was behaving in a pretty vile way. The moderator and her friends took aim at me and began a campaign of harassment, and a few days later, suddenly my website with my XF fanfic was TOSed because someone had reported it. So was the next site I tried to create to host my fic, and the one after that.
Thanks to the way AO3s TOS are constructed, that sort of shit doesnât happen now. I can speak up if I need to, and while I may receive harassment on my various social media accounts, thereâs no chance they can have my fic taken down just because they have an agenda and donât like me for reasons not relating to my fic.
So yeah, AO3â˛s rules protect fic a lot of us might find objectionable. But they also protect fic that is in no way objectionable from being targeted by unrelated harassment campaigns. And since any of us could find ourselves in the sights of those sort of campaigns at any time, we need to thank our lucky stars for that.
I like this last addition.
When I helped write the ToS for AO3, I wasnât primarily thinking about strikethrough. I was primarily thinking of FFN, where so many people post things that are technically against the ToS but that the community tolerates. Any time someone gets pissed off, they can go on a grudge-reporting spree and target their enemyâs work. Often, that means guys targeting slash or Twilight fic because itâs âfor girlsâ and thus sucks. Sometimes, itâs one ship vs. another. I was also thinking of Miss Scribe and all of that other Harry Potter fandom drama. (And if you think fans are above destroying an entire archive just to strike at one enemy, think again!)
We canât force people to like each other. We canât force people to be nice to each other. But we could take away fandom bulliesâ favorite tools.
So we did.
Watching young (ostensibly liberal) bloggers and fans take up the deeply conservative rhetoric and moral crusading of the right wing and evangelical groups from the 90s has been both fascinating from an anthropological perspective, and fucking horrifying for someone who lived through this time period and the death of LJ. Â
The right wing have done such a great job of snowing young social justice advocates. Itâs brilliant and horrifying in equal measure.