Tag: btvs

spikesjojo:

rahirah:

zetablarian:

spikesjojo:

godslittlesister:

bisexualcordelia:

all offence but the end of fool for love with spike/buffy is one of the most uncomfortable and disgusting spuffy scenes IMO bye

ITA. It’s not romantic. He is not her equal even as a villain. And hours later, while she was at the hospital, he exploited her vulnerability, snuck into her bedroom, sniffed her clothes, and stole her panties.

Spike was there to MURDER Buffy because she said she deserves to die by something better than him. Would fans think differently of Warren if he changed his mind in Seeing Red and sat down on the bench with Buffy instead of shooting her? Both episodes had a man get emasculated by her, call her a bitch, retrieve a gun, walk to her house, and see her sitting in the backyard.

Buffy almost died in the cemetery because of a random 80s looking vampire (hello Spike parallel). She spent the day in the Magic Box, once owned by a woman Spike killed “I haven’t had a woman in weeks, unless you count that shopkeeper”, reading through journals written primarily by men on the short violent lives of her sisters remembered more for being beads on the Slayer necklace than their own person.

Van Halen vampire held up the weapon used to hurt Buffy Summers, said, “We should hang this in a museum.” A Slayer’s stake as trophy. Billy Idol vampire hunted down Xin Rong & Nikki Wood. A Slayer’s jacket as trophy. Their identities and legacies forged the same way that people remember serial killers but not the names of their victims.

Buffy was dealing with her mortality and the death of girls, women, her gender. Her mom was dying and later she would pick out her coffin, plan her funeral, and speak against her resurrection. When Spike’s mom was dying, he sired her, saw the abomination he’d turned her into, and staked her. And he didn’t even learn from it. He helps Dawn resurrect Buffy’s mom even though she’d come back wrong. A trigger was placed on him tied to Anne Pratt’s soulless opinion of him instead of the guilt over turning her into a demon. He cared more whether she loved him than the fact he killed her and turned her to dust.

Why? Really just curious – why do you feel so much anger over a picture from a show that’s 20 years old?

I could probably create something like this for every character in the B-verse – just make a list of the horrible things they’ve done – interpret them in the worst possible ways, and compare them to the really evil characters. But I can’t quite understand the rage.

Does the fact that some fans really see Spike differently feel like an assault on you personally? Where doe the rage come from?

I always find it interesting that posts such as this are not exactly telling Spuffy fans stiff they don’t know.

Like. Yep. You’re right. He was definitely there to kill her. Yep, he sure did kill two slayers. Yep, he did vampify and kill his mother you are Correct.

It’s like all the facts stripped of any meta or viewer analysis (and, in some instances, even the right canon context), as if ANY of it had any bearing on why people ship what they ship.

Y’all, I am the queen of rarepairs and crack crossover ships. I literally could not care less about canon and how you, someone for whom this is clearly a NOTP sees it.

I get it! I do. Personally, I’m really skeeved by certain ships (see: Reylo), and there was a time I was super vocal about why it was all Bad and Wrong and anyone who supported such ships was gross, gross, gross. But, you know what?

Nobody who ships The Thing is gonna stop because of my opinion! And no one who ships The Thing should have to deal with bullying because my tastes differ from theirs. And ofc you are welcome to cultivate your perspective and share them as you see fit, it being your blog and all (just keep your negativity out of the fannish tags, please). But also…are you REALLY getting as much enjoyment and fun times from hating something as you would loving something? Because in my personal experience of the past…it’s mostly just exhausting and makes no real impact to vocally hate on something other people love, especially if it–as it is in this case–stirs up a lot of icky fandom wank.

[Grandpa Simpson voice] Back in my day… [/Grandpa Simpson voice] No, back in my day it was exactly the same.

People tend to do this thing where they conflate “I don’t like it” with “Objectively bad/wrong.” And if something is Objectively Wrong, then anyone who does like it must be doing so out of evil or perverse motives. If one’s own tastes are Objectively Good, then anyone with different tastes is a bad person, or at the very best, a deeply misguided person. They’re not just to be disagreed with; they must be exposed and crushed.

Yeah – I’ve seen a lot of it too. I think what is going on is that the comics have reaffirmed Spuffy as the end game. I was looking through some stuff just trying to figure out why there was such a big outpouring of Spuffy and Spike hate.  Those who hate the ship are no doubt feeling ripped off – both by the comics and the fans who like the way the comics are ending.

Just FYI – this was properly labelled when I reblogged. Blame me for that one.