Listen. I don’t want to be that person. But that’s pie made with cake inside. That’s not custard, that’s cake. I showed the picture above to my dad giving him zero context and he also said the brown part is cake.
It’s a piecaken 😂
Oh look it looks like it’s strictly pie on the surface but “deep down it’s all dick” cake
In my sound studies class today we spent 10 minutes talking about Brad Pitt’s introduction in the movie Seven and how when he is walking up the stairs there is a single steps that squeaks and how that represents his future “missteps” in the case he is trying to solve
but clearly thinking the shirt dean was wearing represents the bisexual flag is “reading too much into it”
7×20. The Girl with the Dungeons and Dragons Tattoo.
(Look at how confident Dean is in the first gif that this will work, though – and flirting your way through security, that’s not something you’re sure can actually be done unless you’ve done it before, because with the lives they’ve had, the Winchesters are painfully aware of the difference between movies and reality. So, no, Dean knows exactly how to make this technique work – because he’s used it before. And how many women work in this field? Police, security guards, bouncers? Mh.
So, again – the fact Dean can flirt with men doesn’t mean, in itself, that Dean actually likes men. Dean is a liar and a conman, and finding a way past security guards is simply a part of his job. But considering everything else we know about him, and – mostly – that TV narrative is very different from real life – yeah.)
Yeah – and in this episode Charlie is used to knowingly establish that false premise that you can only flirt with the gender(s) you’re interested in…
Yep. It wouldn’t actually mean anything that Dean routinely used flirting in order to get past security guards, because yes, he is a con man and it is part of his job. Except Charlie’s insistence that the lack of attraction to a particular gender makes said flirting inherently impossible, requiring the intervention of someone who does have an attraction to that particular gender. And Sam and Dean BOTH just roll with this rationale as if it’s a completely valid premise.
(and note, it’s not Sam who walks her through flirting with the dude, and it’s not Sam who we routinely see flirting his way past security guards, bouncers, and male police officers throughout the series, either… Sam prefers sneaking, bluffing, and assuming the guise of an authority figure in order to talk his way through these situations– or straight up lost-puppy innocent bumbling and apologies. Dean’s FIRST thought, his gut instinct, is flirting.)
(because again this is how Sam and Dean differ. Sam attempts to baffle obstacles by “selling himself” to them with puppydog eyes and logic, while Dean attempts to baffle obstacles by “selling them to themselves.” Aka, flattery and flirting.)
So the hiatus has arrived, but I’ve developed a survey to help us pass the time and hopefully learn some interesting things.
It takes about 15-20 minutes to fill out and includes questions such as:
“Where do you think Dean falls on the Kinsey scale?”
“How do you think Dean currently feels about being attracted to men?”
“How likely do you think it is that Dean’s attraction to men will be made explicit on Supernatural?”
And much more.
I am hoping to get at least a couple hundred responses and not only report on the data from individual questions, but also analyze it for larger patterns (e.g. do fans who have been in the fandom for longer think it is more likely or less likely that Dean will be made explicitly queer on the show? Do younger fans differ from older fans in terms of why they think it matters that he be made explicitly queer? etc.)
If this topic is of interest to you, please take the survey and spread it! 🙂
FYI, I know this list is not exhaustive by any means, so feel free to reblog and tag with others you think might be interested. Also PLEASE feel free to spread it on other platforms. I don’t really fandom on other social media sites (except Twitter occasionally) but I’d love to get a wider variety of responses than people who are exclusive/primarily on Tumblr.
Listen… Dean Winchester doesn’t think he’s straight
I agree that Dean knows he’s attracted to men, he’s probably even slept with plenty of them. But it’s also possible that Dean doesn’t believe he’s gayor bi.
I obviously can’t speak for him because I’m not writing the show, but let me tell you, I have lived my entire life as a bi person and didn’t realize that the attraction I had to the same sex made me a real life gay until this year. It’s not something I actively squished down either. I just didn’t think about it much until it hit me over the head that I was ignoring another side of myself.
Sexuality is complicated and there is a reason that Dean isn’t out and proud. His biggest problem has always been that he denies himself happiness because he’s always worrying about everyone else. Selflessness has kept him in the closest just as much as shame.
I mean, this is real for sure, but there’s also an important difference between not thinking or realizing you’re queer and thinking that you’re straight.
Dean has self-confessedly felt like a ‘freak’ his entire life on more levels than one, so thinking that he’s straight is likely a privilege he never had, regardless of who he’s felt attraction toward or had sex with. He was barely an adult when he canonically flirted with cross-dressing as a sexual fetish. I think Marghe is right in that he’s never thought he was straight, what ever he did think of himself. Because straightness does impliy things above and beyond heterosexuality, of a non-deviant, unquestioned normative status, you know. The stuff of privilege.
I agree with both of you. I don’t think Dean thinks he’s straight.
The reason I replied to this post in the first place (which I should’ve clarified) was because I didn’t agree with @postmodernmulticoloredcloak ‘s tags
I don’t think it’s fair to say that Dean isn’t in some form of denial or that he isn’t repressing part of his identity (which is why I think it’s possible that he doesn’t apply bi/gay labels to himself-yet). I mean, performing!Dean exists for a reason. If denial/repression wasn’t an issue we would see a much more open Dean.
Perhaps I’ve misinterpreted what you really meant @postmodernmulticoloredcloak. I know we’ve discussed Dean’s struggle with performing, toxic-masculinity and internalized homophobia before.
Yeah sorry I didn’t elaborate on that, in the tags I was referring to interpretations of Dean as so deep in denial that he is convinced he’s straight, and that kind of vision is kinda grating to me because that’s not Dean’s character. Dean has built up this entire system of façades and performances because he knows what he is (re: sexuality and many other things) and because he knows, he knows what to hide and how. I hope I’m making sense because I’m not functioning much tonight lol.
My interpretation of Dean is that he’s muuuuch more aware than most part of the fandom seems to give him credit for, and as I always say that’s the tragedy of Dean, that he chooses to sacrifice emotional needs he knows he has for self-preservation and family-preservation, so to speak. And there’s also that aspect of self-deprecation @f-ckyeahfutbol has pointed out which I think it’s all connected, he self-deprecates because he knows he has emotional/sexual/whatever needs that make him a freak in the context of the cultural and mental frame he’s grown up in. So yeah I think he’s been quite self-aware since day 1. I see his journey more about self-acceptance than self-discovery tbh, while is Sam’s case there’s a process of self-discovery and Dean-discovery so to speak.
Dean may not have been up to date with the latest elaborations of queer theory in 2005 and he may not be up to date with the latest elaborations of queer theory now, but he has had a journey of connecting with queer people with various different experiences (look at who has shown or taught Dean about hacking stuff throughout the show. Could hacking be a metaphor? Yes I think so.) and I’m not sure where I was going with this exactly but yeah, I believe that Dean knows his shit, he simply has self-preservation mechanisms deeply ingrained and he’s basically fighting a silent fight against them.
I think identity construction and especially queer identity construction is an interesting question and @aslightsgoflashing brings up important points. While Dean Winchester clearly has some knowledge of non-mainstream queer culture, the environment he was brought up in is far from ideal for the construction of a strong identity of any kind – something that we saw him struggling with in main text in the early seasons. I’ve written before about how I think meeting Charlie Bradbury was something that started him on the journey of constructing an actual queer identity, but how far along that road he is still remains open.
As an aside, I had a conversation with my partner when we were starting to date about when we knew we were queer, and they introduced the topic of conversation with “Well, that’s always the kind of thing you ask another queer person, isn’t it?“ We all have a… journey, and for ourselves we write a story about it.
But I was actually thinking about all the other connotations of ‘straight’ when I first saw Marghe’s post, and something about that is still trying to take form in my mind. Dean Winchester fancies himself a renegade, took much joy in being counter-culture, explictly said that he’d rather be a part of the Munsters rather than main-stream society. With no regard to his sexuality at all, I find it difficult to reconcile with his character that he would ever have thought of himself as any manner of straight just because bucking the system was his way of dealing with the burden placed on him.
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