So the hiatus has arrived, but I’ve developed a survey to help us pass the time and hopefully learn some interesting things.
It takes about 15-20 minutes to fill out and includes questions such as:
“Where do you think Dean falls on the Kinsey scale?”
“How do you think Dean currently feels about being attracted to men?”
“How likely do you think it is that Dean’s attraction to men will be made explicit on Supernatural?”
And much more.
I am hoping to get at least a couple hundred responses and not only report on the data from individual questions, but also analyze it for larger patterns (e.g. do fans who have been in the fandom for longer think it is more likely or less likely that Dean will be made explicitly queer on the show? Do younger fans differ from older fans in terms of why they think it matters that he be made explicitly queer? etc.)
If this topic is of interest to you, please take the survey and spread it! 🙂
FYI, I know this list is not exhaustive by any means, so feel free to reblog and tag with others you think might be interested. Also PLEASE feel free to spread it on other platforms. I don’t really fandom on other social media sites (except Twitter occasionally) but I’d love to get a wider variety of responses than people who are exclusive/primarily on Tumblr.
Someone probably ought to discuss Mannequin 3: The Reckoning as the third installation of the Mannequin film franchise, as the only thing the films Mannequin and Mannequin 2: On the Move had in addition to mannequins was the queer character Hollywood Montrose.
The original Mannequin film came out in the late 80s, and the character is a huge, flaming stereotype – but also kind of awesome. Rantasmo discusses the fact that it’s not the stereotype that is the problem as the nature of stereotypes is that they have some kind of basis in reality, but that as stereotypes present an incomplete picture, the problem at the time was (and often still is, especially when it comes to bisexual characters), that it was the only kind of visibility there was. But Hollywood Montrose, whose love for his car Bad Girl rivals that of Dean for Baby, was a prominent and recognizable queer character. And while the Mannequin films aren’t exactly LGBT films, there is a queer element to both of them.
And Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder attached their episode to the franchise via its title. It is the third Mannequin story.
But there was something else about the episode I wanted to discuss today. The background of Dean’s phone. The background image in his phone is a picture of his own feet on a motel bed, and the first time I saw it, I thought it was the saddest thing I had seen on the show. Obviously, the picture isn’t really of his feet but of the motel room wall, which is either a photograph or an extremely life-like painting of a forest. It’s likely that Dean thought it was cool.
Only, he thought it was cool months ago in Clap Your Hands If You Believe, when he seems to have taken the picture. The timing of the picture must be while Sam was in the library and Dean was alone in the motel room, because from Dean’s facial expression when he almost sits on the bed on which Sam had sex with a woman earlier indicates that the bed that sex happened on had been his bed, and he took over the other bed from which the picture was taken subsequently.
What’s interesting is that the wall of trees is not the only thing these episodes have in common. We also see the El Sol sign in both episodes, and in the former episode it is in the diner just before Dean is left alone by himself in the motel room. The brands are semiotic signals that carry the subtextual narrative, and the diner scene in Clap Your Hands was one of two episodes in which the presence of the sign made no sense to me. The episode Clap Your Hands in its entirety was one – is one to this day – that is so filled to the brim with subtext, symbolism, and different undercurrents that it escapes full analysis.
But what we can conclude on the basis of Dean having had the forest from the motel as his phone background for several weeks is that he must have spent some time morosely staring at the wall in the motel, and even more importantly – that it meant something to him. It meant something to him, and that same feeling was being recalled in this episode in which Dean finally breaks up with Lisa. So what is it about this forest?
I want to take a detour in the two times we see an angel visit the dreams of Dean Winchester to communicate with him: The Rapture and The Song Remains the Same. I haven’t seen these scenes compared, and yet they are crying out to be compared and contrasted, just as Anna and Castiel were. In both scenes, an angel visits Dean Winchester’s dream to speak with him: Anna intrudes on a sexy dream featuring the strip tease of an angel and a demon, and Castiel visits a dream of Dean fishing by himself.
The difference between the scenes is that Anna was trying to reach Dean whom he was unable to find due to the sigils in his ribs at the behest of her superiors, whereas Castiel was attempting to communicate with Dean while knowing that he was being observed by his superiors, fearing that even this communication was not private enough to keep them from being overheard. Anna, that is, visited a surface dream, whereas Castiel visited a dream that was buried much deeper in Dean’s subconscious. Castiel has incentive to find the most private part in Dean’s subconscious for his communication, and it was this pier on which he was seated alone. Anna even lampshades this by her question “This is what you dream about?“
The scene is iconic, and people usually don’t spend a lot of time musing on the fact that Castiel is not a part of the dreamscape. Castiel intrudes on the dream and changes it, but he is not a part of the dream that I would argue was a frequent, recurring dream to Dean following the episode Born Under a Bad Sign, which was placed in the region of the Twin Lakes area in Michigan, an episode which featured a lot fishing symbolism, and which followed Dean and Sam having taken separate vacations – of having spent time apart from each other. The recurring nature of this dream is perhaps hinted by the presence of piers in the visual narrative to this day.
So, did Dean spend time fishing all by himself he then later dreamed about? When you look at the scene in The Rapture, the camera is driven forward, slowly edging toward him from behind, as though someone is approaching. As though Dean is expecting someone.
Not Castiel, who suddenly appears beside him, but someone else. Who? We don’t know. But there he is, on a pier by a forest and likely a cabin in the woods, expecting someone, dreaming a dream that may be based on a memory of something that happened in Twin Lakes, Michigan.
Lisa lived somewhere in Michigan during the sixth season after having moved from Indiana, as it happened. But the person Dean was waiting for wasn’t Lisa, obviously. They were estranged at the time. Lisa was always the rebound. But she did live in Michigan. And we see this forest in the background of his phone in the episode in which they break up that he had carried with him for months. Possibly because it reminded him of a cabin in the woods. And someone that walked toward him on the pier that we never got to see.
– So it could all be the same chick? Morphing into, uh, to different dream girls?
– Yeah, actually. Probably.
[4×14]
Hey, remember how Dean’s siren was a dude?
oh. my god.
i watched this episode on sunday and i just fucking realized the siren literally seduces dean through song.
In this scene in the bar, they’re testing each other on recognizing songs and naming their albums, performers, writers, etc. Dean’s totally won over by Nick when Nick knows more than dean about one of them! Like. On top of the fact that every single time, the siren is presenting the victim with a romantic/sexual version of a different relationship in his life (and we see this for BOTH existing romantic relationships AND platonic ones), and the siren says that he does it to be “in love,” not to just experience any kind of love, this just takes the fucking cake
oftentimes when sam and dean have parallel story lines, sam’s is romantic (left) while dean’s is with men (right). i think it says a lot about the types of relationships they each crave and also dean likes dudes the end
Just gonna tack on a few more, here:
vs.
and
vs.
and (even tho Sam’s isn’t “romantic” in this one, he still matched paired with a woman, versus Dean, who gets paired a man. Again.)
vs.
Also, somehow, whenever they want to put one of them in an overtly queer situation, its virtually always Dean, whereas Sam usually gets tasked with something more ‘neutral’
Sam recognizes an ARM tattoo
vs. Dean, who checks out the guy’s NAKED GROIN for a birthmark
Here we have Sam counseling Charlie with Harry Potter lore
vs Dean, who councils her through flirting with a dude
Sam gets sent to the library for research
whereas Dean gets sent to a bar to be hit on by Aaron
Look at this extremely long string of isolated incidents.
no, not usually. If a heterosexual man wants to watch a threesome it will be m/f/f for sure. Why bother with the extra dick they don’t want to see! Why?
Do you know why I believe Dean Smith is essentially the most perfect version of Dean Winchester we’ll ever see?
Dean Smith was raised by loving parents Bobby and Ellen Smith, who odds are did not treat Dean anything like John Winchester treated Dean. From what we know of Bobby Singer and from what we know of Ellen Harvelle, they probably would have allowed Dean to be whatever he chose to be, whatever he grew into on his own accord as long as Dean was still good at heart.
You can see that in the way Dean acts, the way Dean dresses.
Dean Smith is secure with himself. He doesn’t hate himself. He’s comfortable being metro and embraces that, yes, he does like nice clothes and that’s okay. He allows himself to go through a cleanse and eat rabbit food and he doesn’t see any of it as something that takes away from his masculinity.
Dean got into Stanford as Dean Smith, and from what we know about Bobby and Ellen, he probably had to get some form of scholarship in order to even be able to go. Dean even finishing high school, even going to college means that Dean is comfortable with the fact that he is smart and believes in himself.
He’s fine with NPR in the mornings and the only person he seems to flirt with throughout the episode his dark haired assistant who looks vaguely similar to a certain angel who follows the Righteous Man around as he chats the guy up about Project Runway. Which may mean Dean is actually comfortable with his bisexuality as Dean Smith because his parents probably didn’t scare him into thinking something may be wrong with him if he was an adorable bisexual.
Dean doesn’t have any of the things his fear doppleganger pointed out as him copying someone. He doesn’t have the impala, he doesn’t have the jacket. He does still have the taste in music, but he’s allowed himself to be okay and reach out to other things he probably wouldn’t listen to unless Godstiel was around, like talk radio. Dean Smith makes his own decisions in this incarnation of Dean. He chose what he wore, he didn’t learn it from anyone. He chose what he drove, he didn’t take a hand me down from a dead father.
Everything we see in this episode is Dean. This is essentially what Dean would have grown up to become if he lived in a healthy, happy household that didn’t put him down and make him feel insecure about himself. This is what Dean should have turned out to become and it’s a shame that he didn’t get the chance to.
This is so true, though. Dean smith is the Dean I fucking live for.
argumentsagainstbideansuck made a post recently about Dean Winchester being a lying liar who lies, mentioning that every time Dean claims not to be into dudes, it’s actually some of the strongest evidence to the contrary. I’ve been keeping a list of the no homo -moments in Supernatural, so I thought I would review the writers of the episodes that featured these moments, and take a few moments to evaluate how their characterization of Dean Winchester has affected the over-all characterization across ten years.
The no homo -moments (many of them specifically delivered in baseball metaphors) are in episodes:
2.09 John Shiban (writer of 9 episodes and also the dude who was brought in to get the show off the ground in the first place) 3.05 Cathryn Humphris (writer of 7 episodes)
3.12, 4.17 (adding 6.12 with its “I was too busy having sex. With Women”) Sera Gamble (writer of 29 episodes, show-runner)
4.12 Julie Siege (writer of 6 episodes)
2.11 Matt Witten (writer of 2 episodes) 6.05 Brett Matthews (writer of 3 episodes)
Matt and Brett wrote too few episodes for there to be an identifiable pattern, or for their characterization to have much impact on Dean’s over-all characterization on the show.
Julie wrote enough episodes to establish a style, but Dean Winchester’s sexuality didn’t play a big part in her episodes. The episodes 4.12 (Criss Angel is a Douchbag – Dean pings the gaydar of cold-reading magicians) and 5.17 (99 Problems – effects of the death of gay-coded bartender on Dean) may tip her over as having conceived of Dean Winchester as bisexual, but it wasn’t a big thematic in her writing.
Shiban and Humphris wrote Dean as a bisexual character. They are some of the biggest sources of subtext in the first seasons.
What it comes down to is Sera Gamble, who has both most no homo moments in her episodes and most episodes under her belt, inarguably having had the most influence on Dean’s characterization. The question is, did she write the character as bisexual and did she write the character as straight?
I can’t answer you that. My own personal frustration with Sera Gamble’s episodes over the years comes from her treating Dean Winchester – and the sexuality of Dean Winchester – as a bit of a joke. She had very good ideas for episodes, she had a talent for plot and composition (sometimes needed help with dialogue), but characterization was not her strong suit. There is no doubt, however, that her writing of the character of Dean Winchester hasn’t had a huge impact on his characterization. Maybe she thought Dean was straight. Maybe she didn’t.
Now, here’s the important part: none of these writers are writing for the show anymore.
So let me list you some writers that have written Dean Winchester as a bisexual character in the past: Jeremy Carver, Andrew Dabb, Ross-Lemming/Buckner, Robbie Thompson, Robert Berens, Jenny Klein, and Charmelo/Snyder.
Projection as a self-defense mechanism of the psyche is a feature of Borderline personality disorder, so we should explore the possibility that Dean’s on-going trauma might have triggered it in him. There appears to be a connection between Borderline personality and PTSD, a childhood trauma and loss of caregivers in early childhood serving as contributing factors in the development of the disorder (“There is a strong correlation between child abuse, especially child sexual abuse, and development of BPD. Many individuals with BPD report a history of abuse and neglect as young children”).
Symptoms of BPD feature a pattern of impulsivity and instability of behaviours (“Impulsive behavior is common, including substance or alcohol abuse, eating disorders, unprotected sex or indiscriminate sex with multiple partners, reckless spending, and reckless driving”), interpersonal relationships and self-image (“difficulty knowing what they value, believe, prefer, and enjoy”), intense fear of abadonment, anger and irritability, both idealization (”He doesn’t have relationships. He has applications for sainthood”) and devalution of other people, sensitivity to rejection and criticism, all of which is classic Dean. Substance abuse is also commonly found in association with the condition.
Interesting is also that problem solving, using the brain’s executive functions (working cases) seems to alleviate the symptoms.
“Specifically, those with borderline personality disorder are more likely to exhibit greater sexual preoccupation, have earlier sexual exposure, engage in casual sexual relationships, report a greater number of different sexual partners as well as promiscuity, and engage in homosexual experiences.”
“these authors emphasized the phenomenon of “pan-sexuality” (i.e.,
all-embracing sexuality), which encompassed promiscuity, “polymorphous
perverse sexual practices,” and heterosexual/homosexual vacillation.“
Subjects with BPD were significantly more likely than comparison
subjects to report homosexual or bisexual orientation and intimate
same-sex relationships. There were no significant differences between
male and female borderline subjects in prevalence of reported homosexual
or bisexual orientation or in prevalence of reported same-sex
relationships. … Results of this study suggest that same-gender
attraction and/or intimate relationship choice may be an important
interpersonal issue for approximately one-third of both men and women
with BPD.
“Though it hasn’t been studied, there is a sense among doctors that many
patients tend to be attractive, which can trigger a vicious cycle. Being beautiful induces the world
to treat you like an object, which naturally gives rise to questions
about whether you are loveable, which in turn makes you long for
confirmation.“
Granted, Dean Winchester is a character, and a composite of many authors at that, but all in all his characterization seems to offer us a rather holistic picture of someone suffering from borderline personality due to childhood trauma. Also, Dean is bisexual. It’s science.
Hmm,
actually, I think the whole ‘Dean mostly being paired with other males’ thing
is very interesting, but also very understandable. I think it isn’t limited to
Destiel though, and doesn’t have to do with Dean as a character per se, but
also with the kind of show that Supernatural is.
(Only keep
reading if you don’t get uncomfortable at the sight of ships other than Destiel,
even though I don’t ship any of these ships, but merely use them as an example.)
The thing
with shipping in general is, that we’re looking for a story that speaks to us. We’re
looking for something ground breaking on that TV show that we enjoy, something
epic, something that for the most part doesn’t simply happen in real life.
So when we’re
looking at Dean in particular (because this is what your ask was about), we’re
looking for interesting relationships between him and potential partners. But
the problem is; pretty much all women that were potential love interests, either
didn’t get to stick around, or didn’t get a chance to play a part in the epic
love story that most viewers are looking for.
Characters
like Cassie, Robin, and Ann Marie never got more than one single episode, so
they barely count. There are several other one night stands, but none of them
get a chance to explore any kind of bond with Dean that’s visible to the
audience. No slow build love story that the viewers will get invested in. The
same goes for Lisa; there’s an episode where we get to meet her/Ben, but after
that, it goes from 1 to 100 in a second, and suddenly they’re together, playing
house. That unusual love story that people are looking for, wasn’t there. She
was nice, she was kind, she was safe. But their relationship as told on the show,
was nothing spectacular, or unexpected in the good way.
I’d say
that the only love story for Dean that actually had potential, was Dean/Jo.
Personally, I didn’t ship it, but she was around long enough for the writers to
make something of it, and her personality could’ve contributed to a love story
that wasn’t solely based around her ‘being a love interest’. But she got killed
off, so the opportunity was never properly explored.
So keeping
all of this in mind… then there is Dean and the fellas. And the thing is, these are all white men, meaning they got
to stick around for a while. Meaning they actually got a chance to ‘write a
story’ with Dean, and meaning that he could actually build a relationship with
them.
We see Dean
getting into this unlikely long-term relationship with an angel, even though he
never had faith before this one angel. (Destiel) We see Dean getting into this
unlikely long-term relationship with a vampire, even though he’s never seen them
as anything other than horrible blood suckers before this one vampire.
(Dean/Benny). And we see Dean getting into this unlikely relationship with a
demon, even though demons were supposed to be his worst enemy, before this one
demon. (Dean/Crowley, because whether you like it or not, that friendship got
oddly romantic, especially from Crowley’s side.)
So this
kind of thing peaks our interest, because we have the combination of
human/immortal being, and we get the slow burn that we like in order to see these
relationships (whether you view them as romantic or platonic) bloom.
And that is
the point. All of these males get the opportunity to build up a decent
relationship with Dean Winchester, because unlike pretty much all women on the
show, they get the screen time to do it. Dean and all of them share an
interesting history, whereas Dean and all of these women (except for Jo, a
little) simply don’t. It’s not their fault, they just never got a real chance
to compete, because the writers don’t give them a story that allows them to.
Which brings
us to another thing; When we find a new ship/love story that we enjoy, it often
takes us by surprise. It’s the story and natural chemistry between two
characters that compels us to ‘ship it’. But the problem is, we’re often not
interested when we’re ‘artificially’ forced to ship something. Meaning; Let’s say
they’d introduce some random new female in season 11 or 12 (which are most
likely the final seasons). She’s white, she’s straight, she’s Dean’s age. We’d
all know why she’s here; she’s here to be Dean’s love interest. She’s merely
designed to easily slide into Dean’s life, and fit there perfectly. And that is
where the problem lies. Because this is the point where we already lose
interest; we’re not surprised, we’re not witnessing anything ground breaking.
They lose our attention the second she’s introduced, because there is no
challenge there, we know that she was ‘made for Dean’, whereas with others with
whom he got a chance to form a bond (and all of those happen to be males
because all the females left or got killed off before their time), there is the
exciting ‘whoa will they or won’t they’ factor.
So on top of all that, at this point, whomever
they introduce, Dean already has a more impressive and compelling relationship
with at least three males on the show, building for seasons and seasons, deeper
than he will EVER have with this random new chick, because he and her didn’t get the time back when it was necessary, and it’s simply too late.
Not to
mention, aside from all that, there is Wincest. Because no random female that
ever stumbles in, is going to succeed at making Dean put her before Sam. And realistically,
no woman is going to put up with that in the long run.
So the
women are definitely not the problem, and if you really think about it, neither
is the audience. We’re looking for stories that lure us in, and whoever is part
of that story, we usually don’t really care whether they’re male/female/a
poltergeist/a llama. But on Supernatural we mostly have to make do with males,
and so that (naturally), is what this fandom does.
I haven’t written anything for Queer Dean Month yet, which is a crying shame. So I thought I’d talk about the tilt scan, which many have noted with regard to the famous shot in A Little Slice of Kevin, in a little more detail.
The tilt is a technique in cinematography that is instantly recognizable to most consumers of visual media whether they consciously know it or not. In a tilting shot the camera remains stationary while rotating on a vertical axis called the tilting plane. It is often used to indicate the sexiness of the female body as an object. The first gif in Google image search for a ‘sexy body’ is a tilting scan of a half-naked female body.