Imagine this: Dean and Sam on a case and this really creepy woman is coming onto Dean and clearly making him uncomfortable until he finally says “Sorry, I uh…I don’t swing your way.” And he kinda rubs the back of his neck awkwardly while Sam raises an eyebrow and the woman immediately immediately apologizes and backs off and Sam kind of looks over at him curiously and Dean just shrugs and goes “I say what I have to. Always have.”
#ahahahahahahahaaha yeesssssss please please i would pay money for this to happen!!#the sputtering and desperate excuses from the subtext-denialists would be hilarious#just sit back with some popcorn and watch them try to avoid admitting#that all they have is the circular reasoning that he’s obviously straight because he’s straight#and therefore anything he says must be interpreted in light of the pre-determined conclusion that he’s straight X-D (via destielhiseyesopened)
foolscapper Yes definitely. Dean was terrifying tonight. I actually covered my eyes a few times. Like that moment where Sam comes around the corner as he’s hanging up with Cas and Dean’s right there? I clapped my hands over my face. He’s so frightening. I don’t know if I’ve ever been as scared of something on the shows as I am of Dean with the Mark.
For me it was when Dean was confronting Sam towards the end. The silent calm, the patient tone, the creepy music, the fact that Dean wasn’t in sam’s line of sight. This scared me SO much.
My favorite kind of anti blog post is when they’re like, “If you really wanted representation, you’d pick Sam to be the bi one.” Mainly because I’m like, “No, no, you don’t understand. This isn’t an either-or situation. I want to interpret all of them as queer without people telling me it’s ~enough~.”
Queer Sam? Heck yeah. Queer Charlie. Queer Dean. Queer Jody. Queer Donna. Queer Crowley. Queer Rowena. Queer Hannah. Queer Mary. Queer Bobby. Queer Ellen. (Holy shit. Queer Ellen. Jesus.) Queer Kevin. Queer Benny. Queer recurring characters. Queer characters that only show up in one episode. ~Flaunt~ the possibility of queerness in everyone’s face, until heteronormativity ain’t a thing anymore. (The thing that’s truly maddening is most of these characters have never said a damn word about their sexuality, but they’re all assumed to be straight.)
*Oprah voice* And you get a queer headcanon! And you get a queer headcanon! Everybody gets a queer headcanoooooon!
ABSOLUTELY. All the characters are potentially queer, basically. The only difference is that a heavy weight of subtext within the show happens to be on Dean, so he is our best bet for a character to be made CANONICALLY queer, & provide real representation, so it makes sense to focus efforts there. This is no way takes away from the ability of others to see more characters as queer.
That argument is NerdBoy Gatekeepers all over the place, trying to show how much superior to the Fake Geek Girls they are.
So much this! Queer anyone! Queer everyone! (Hey, straight people have no compunctions against claiming anyone and everyone as straight, so turn-about is fair play!) There’s literally no compelling reason to assume that any given character is straight, once you remove the presumption that straight is the default.
Claiming they’d support a different character being queer often reeks of “you can only have characters I don’t care so much about,” or worse, “I only support queer representation as an abstract concept – not as an actual reality.”
The idea that if we “really cared about representation” we’d have no preference at all as to which characters were queer rests on several grossly heteronormative presumptions:
That it’s either/or (as this post already addresses)
That straight people have automatic ownership of all characters, and thus it’s entirely their call whether or not to toss us the occasional crumb (i.e. they inherently deserve everything, we inherently deserve nothing, so we’d better be damn grateful cause it’s pure generosity to give us anything at all)
That it’s simply unthinkable that there might be any subtext specifically around Dean – straight fans who don’t see it are automatically right, queer fans who do are automatically delusional (which is homophobic as fuck)
That sexuality (though really just queer sexuality) is an arbitrary label, an inconsequential afterthought, not an integral part of who a person is. That it’s so superficial and irrelevant that it makes absolutely no difference which character it’s slapped onto. (Curiously, this is the exact opposite of the constant claim that a particular character can’t be queer, cause they don’t fit some narrow stereotype.)
We don’t want Dean to be “made” queer – we want acknowledgment that he’s already queer (insofar as a fictional character “has” any implicit traits – but that’s a tangential matter of literary theory and the relationship between subtext and main text). Could other characters also be queer? Well duh! But what the hell does that have to do with Dean being queer? Two different peoples’ orientations are two completely distinct entities. Would they argue that my cousin can’t be queer, because I am? Queerness is not a finite resource! There’s more than enough queerness to go around!
Ok no but what I said last week still holds – something that might be interpreted as bi!Dean happens on the show and suddenly all the haters clog the wank tag with how much it’s deluuuusional to think Dean might be bi.
It really bothers you a lot, doesn’t it, that people might be interpreting him as anything but perfectly straight? That the show started to be pretty frequent about the bi allusions?
Maybe you should start thinking about why you feel the need to defend Dean’s heterosexuality instead of blabbing on about how people “only do it to validate their ship.”
And . if Dean’s heterosexuality was as crystal clear as you apparently want it to be, it wouldn’t need any defending, surely?
How do you define ‘crystal clear’? Because this is how I define it:
The people that Dean has kissed and/or had sex with, all females:
So, the question is, why do YOU see his ‘bi-ness’ in pastry and his newfound appreciation for Taylor Swift, when his heterosexuality is staring you right in the face?
It bothers us because it’s fucking offensive to say someone is bi based on their choice of music, food, and the colors of the shirt they are wearing. That is encouraging nasty stereotypes.I KNOW why I need to defend it because idiots like you are being the homophobic parents who won’t accept their child is gay.
You…realize I’m queer right? And that I know all about nasty stereotypes and parents who don’t accept their child for their queerness…Not that it matters. At no point did I ever say any of these things you seem to think I said. Nowhere. Don’t you read the posts you shit on? Jesus.
“Dean said he was straight and queer people are never in denial about their sexuality and here’s a bunch of gifs of Dean making out with women because bisexual ppl don’t do that and how dare you take evidence of Dean rejecting the harshly ultra-macho heteronormative hunter culture he grew up in by embracing traits that were repressed (ie, taking pride in his appearance & clothing, enjoying "feminine”-coded music, etc.) as support of the reading that he’s a repressed bisexual who is slowly coming to terms with his internalized queerphobia and effemiphobia"
lmao ok
Just this part:
It bothers us because it’s fucking offensive to say someone is bi based on their choice of music, food, and the colors of the shirt they are
wearing. That is encouraging nasty stereotypes.I KNOW why I need to
defend it because idiots like you are being the homophobic parents who
won’t accept their child is gay.
You realise Dean’s a fictional construct, right? You realise fiction does not follow the same laws as the real world, and symbolism, parallels and subtext are all real, valid things that have significance in telling a story. Showing that Dean’s taste in music isn’t as rigidly defined as it once was has significance in portraying his character development, and it’s meant to have implications for other aspects of his character. The costume department and prop department choose things because of their significance and don’t just throw outfits together based on how you’re feeling that day, like people do in the real world. Symbolism is a thing. Motifs, parallels, symbols…they’re put there to represent aspects of the story that aren’t being told at a face-value level. These aren’t nasty stereotypes. They’re storytelling techniques.
Also, look at the cases where Dean says he’s straight or that he “doesn’t swing that way”. He’s on the defensive in all of them. He feels threatened or insecure and his way of taking back control of the situation is by reaffirming his masculinity, which he thinks is achieved by saying he’s straight. The macho image he’s trying to project by denying that he “swings that way” is more of a stereotype than anything else. Put him in a situation where he doesn’t feel threatened, thinks he’s in control, and then pull the rug out from under him by directly confronting the issue of his sexuality, and you get some awkward flustering and stumbling over words a la the Aaron scene. You don’t get untroubled affirmation from him that he’s straight.
Also, the comment above me? That x 100
Dean is not bisexual in canon. He’s not and I don’t like people insisting that he is because there’s a whole bunch of problems with that. But this hostility towards people who are doing nothing more than personally choosing to interpret him that way? Why do you feel so threatened by it? If he was bi, so the fuck what? It doesn’t degrade his character at all.
I have no doubt that Dean was originally intended to be written as straight, and anything people saw as hinting towards his bisexuality in
earlier seasons was just (un?)happy accident. Now, though, the writing
and production team clearly have a different view on the show. There’s
plenty of stuff they’ve retconned the original intended meaning of
(reapers, angels, heaven, hell…all sorts, really); they seem to
interpret the characters differently than the old writers did, and they’re more aware of the
fandom than ever. They know the bi!dean interpretation exists. They know
they’re fuelling it. Adam Glass’ twitter has made it quite plain he’s aware of people interpreting Dean as bi, and it’s evident in his writing (and some of the other writers’) that he’s pandering to it. That has problems in itself if he’s not taking it seriously and just wants to cash in on a queer audience, but the people who have that interpretation don’t deserve to be attacked.
Dean, being fictional as he is, cannot define his sexuality for himself. In fanon, people can interpret it how they like. In canon, even if he’s said he’s straight in past seasons, that’s only a statement of the show’s canon as it currently stands. It’s not a precedent for that to always be the case, and there have been cases where shows have revealed a character’s sexuality to be something other than previously presumed. The writers are the ones who get to define his canon sexuality, and their recent actions suggest to me their stance is “Fandom: you wanna interpret him as bi? Well, we’re not gonna confirm that outright, but we’ll give you plenty to work with.” Whether or not their actions are harmful in doing so, well…I think that’s a different debate, but it’s not the pro-bi!dean portion of the fandom who can be blamed for that.
Still not over the fact that Sam said “Cas dinged you up pretty good” and apparently Dean translated that as “Cas broke your fucking heart, wanna talk about it?” Dean, honey, I’m pretty sure that Sam was thinking more about how Cas literally almost beat you to death, and wouldn’t have even brought emotions up if you hadn’t.
The thing is, Dean Repression Winchester actually thought about it for a second. That’s how much his feelings were dinged up.
And maybe Sam wasn’t talking bout the physical injuries – Cas healed Dean’s body completely. Sam may have never even known how badly Dean had been hurt. This was the first scene where I thought “Yeah, Sam knows.”
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