Yeah, exactly. Right now is too early to be making anything explicit, so subtext it remains, but that only barely qualifies as subtext. In fact, the only thing that keeps in there is the fact that there was no Colette reminder. If that had have been there, it would have been text. Subtle, still, because casual viewers would probably still not all pick up on it (yay heteronormative goggles), but some would have, and it would have been much harder to deny.
I really didn’t expect them to make it as clear as they did though. I’m so excited about it all!
My thoughts exactly. What a way to do this. Bless Bob Berens. :’)
10×14 framed Dean and Cas in a romantic light AGAIN, and I think this time it was abslutely undeniable what was indicated: that they truly are something non-platonic for each other. It’s still subtle enough so that mostly us enthusiasts will pick up on it, but I think even some non-shippers who remember 9×11 clearly got the hint.
I’m pretty sure the textual romantic will strike in the last episodes of the season…
YES. I know there are a lot of people who are disappointed by the lack of textual confirmation or physical interaction between Dean and Cas (apart from the shoulder) in 10×14, but I’m actually really pleased with how this B-plot is being paced. As long as it’s clear from the symbolism/silent storytelling that we have a destination, I don’t care how long it takes us to get there—and I love me some agonizingly-drawn-out slow burn that gives the characters enough time to grow realistically and thoroughly.
Speaking of pacing, I have a theory about timing on forthcoming possible events. As I’ve mentioned before, I am increasingly convinced textual romantic Destiel will occur during a reverse crypt scene with Crowley-possessed!Cas, which will textualize the Collette parallel and (hopefully!) subvert Collette’s tragic end. I am also convinced Sam will go darkside, and Dean will be confronted with Cain’s prophecy a third time. But if that is the case, both would have to happen in the same episode so that we don’t have time to draw obvious parallels, based on Dean’s handling of the Cas situation (i.e., does he actually kill him?), about how Dean will handle being faced with killing Sam. Whiiiiich basically would have to make that the season finale, because of course a big Dean-faced-with-killing-Sam moment would only happen in the season finale, right? (None of us would survive such a finale.)
Unless Sam goes full darkside without Dean ever getting the chance to save him by killing him in Season 10, of course.
I keep seeing people on my dash that are complaining about how little Sam apparently gets to do, but they seem to have missed the clues that he is in trouble. I am so worried and exited at the same time. Witch craft Sam.
OGOD. There was that slight, appreciative glance from Sam when Crowley mentioned his skills, and I was thinking, “Here we go!”
What if Crowley, playing the role of Dean’s scorned lover, manipulates Sam into using magic on Dean? Remember, we still have Magnus’ Lair of Evil.
Sam is really getting a taste for the craft. He really liked pulling of that Rune of Amaranth spell. (I still need to look into that, it seemed important…) the fact that de-aged Dean didnt have the mark through witchcraft must be going on and on in his head right now. I think he might be one who has a natural talent for it.
MAN. The foreshadowing for Sam taking up magic have been on the same level as the stuff for demon!Dean, and a desperate Sam is scary enough by himself, but desperate Sam with magic powers?
Sorta terrifying.
This whole conversation is taking me back to something I noticed at the time in this week’s episode, and I think it bears repeating now. At first, it was Sam and Crowley who trapped Cain – Dean waiting outside, and Cas downstairs. When they all had their meeting together before Dean went in for the big showdown, they were positioned very specifically: Sam & Cas opposite Dean & Crowley:
Immediately afterwards, we then had Dean by himself, facing the three of them:
So far, so expected really. But what was interesting was that immediately after giving Cas the blade, they realigned themselves. Now Cas & Dean are aligned, opposite Sam & Crowley. Crowley, aligned with Sam, of course immediately vanishes, leaving it Sam, opposite Dean & Cas:
All of which to me was seeming to suggest pretty much what you’re all saying. An increasingly desperate Sam, really living up to the theme of the last couple of seasons: I’ll do what I have to do.
So, I just started watching “Halt and Catch Fire” and this struck me. A Marine died and his ghost seemingly drove the family member who inherited his vehicle right off a bridge into the water below to kill him. And the headlights of the truck blended directly into this season’s title card. Dean even called the truck the Marine’s “Baby” and says that he understands why the ghost would do that. (Do we know any ghost marines whose memory might be driving the family member who inherited the car right off the edge? A ghost marine that we just saw on the “Then” tag perhaps?)
OK, so it wasn’t the ghost of the marine who did it. But…I still find it interesting that Dean was so very willing to accept that the ghost had a good enough reason to do it just because there was a misunderstanding between the brothers and unfinished business that they never got to talk about.
Eighty-Nine Cents in the ash tray
Half empty bottle of Gatorade rolling in the floorboard
That dirty Braves cap on the dash
Dog tags hangin’ from the rear view
Old Skoal can, and cowboy boots and a Go Army Shirt folded in the back
This thing burns gas like crazy, but that’s alright
People got their ways of coping
Oh, and I’ve got mine
I drive your truck I roll every window down
And I burn up
Every back road in this town
I find a field, I tear it up
Til all the pain’s a cloud of dust
Yeah, sometimes I drive your truck
I leave that radio playing
That same ole country station where ya left it
Yeah, man I crank it up
And you’d probably punch my arm right now
If you saw this tear rollin’ down on my face
Hey, man I’m tryin’ to be tough
And momma asked me this morning
If I’d been by your grave
But that flag and stone ain’t where I feel you anyway
I drive your truck
I roll every window down
And I burn up
Every back road in this town
I find a field, I tear it up
Til all the pain’s a cloud of dust
Yeah, sometimes I drive your truck
I’ve cussed, I’ve prayed, I’ve said goodbye
Shook my fist and asked God why
These days when I’m missing you this much
I drive your truck
I roll every window down
And I burn up
Every back road in this town
I find a field, I tear it up
Til all the pain’s a cloud of dust
Yeah, sometimes, brother sometimes
I drive your truck
I drive your truck
I hope you don’t mind, I hope you don’t mind
I drive your truck
Um. Yeah. Seriously Dean. This is the thing you need to get past…..
I’m sorry for reblogging myself again here, but it turns out there’s more to this than I originally thought.
oftentimes when sam and dean have parallel story lines, sam’s is romantic (left) while dean’s is with men (right). i think it says a lot about the types of relationships they each crave and also dean likes dudes the end
Just gonna tack on a few more, here:
vs.
and
vs.
and (even tho Sam’s isn’t “romantic” in this one, he still matched paired with a woman, versus Dean, who gets paired a man. Again.)
vs.
Also, somehow, whenever they want to put one of them in an overtly queer situation, its virtually always Dean, whereas Sam usually gets tasked with something more ‘neutral’
Sam recognizes an ARM tattoo
vs. Dean, who checks out the guy’s NAKED GROIN for a birthmark
Here we have Sam counseling Charlie with Harry Potter lore
vs Dean, who councils her through flirting with a dude
Sam gets sent to the library for research
whereas Dean gets sent to a bar to be hit on by Aaron
There are a few details I noticed in the last episode that I can’t stop thinking about. The main mysterious events bringing the brothers to town all went the same way: mysterious man appearing in front of the victim, a flash of light, then the victim disappeared and all that was left was clothes and some sort of herb powder on them.
All the explanations along the way made sense to me, until I saw the article about that herb – yarrow (Achillea millefolium) – on Sam’s laptop. Then I was a bit like… okay, since when does yarrow have yellow flowers? It’s usually white, sometimes with a pink hue, and there are some garden species that are red, but I couldn’t find any yellow ones when I tried.
Later, when Dean and Sam were sneaking into that witch’s house, there was a long dramatic zoom onto some tansy (Tancetum vulgare) growing nearby, and I was confused even more. Tansy actually HAS yellow flowers, and leaves kind of similar to those of yarrow, but they are definitely two very different plants – here’s yarrow:
and here’s tansy (definitely not yarrow):
Did the research really fail that much? Or more likely, why did someone change the information on purpose? Because that whole Professor Farqus article is copied from Wikipedia (oh come on, it’s readable, of course someone would have noticed this), so whoever prepared this, they kind of must have seen the proper information, and the exact picture from Wikipedia [on the left] looks like it has been photoshopped [screencap from the show on the right] to make the flowers yellow:
And, by the way – both tansy and yarrow have a fresh, green, bitter smell, kind of like absinthium, but none of them smells like “flowery-flowers”. Even more mess. It might all be mistakes, or random changes, but if it is not, then there’s the question – why would somebody fiddle with this so much and try to mix both of these plants in?
You see, the herbs here have some fun medical use. Tansy repels parasites, and has also been used to end an unwanted pregnancy and bring on menstrual bleeding. Yarrow, on the other hand, has been long known for its blood-clotting effects and therefore used to treat minor wounds, abrasions and burns, and is also known as bad man’s plaything, devil’s nettle, thousand seal, soldier’s woundwort, and seven year’s love.
And if we look at Dean’s current state, and at how the plant was used in a spell that returned him to his Mark-of-Cain-free younger body (and soul, apparently), every single one of these names seems a little bit too meaningful. Most of the common names of the plant relate to bleeding, to something it can stop and heal. With this rule applied to other names, bad man & devil ones are pretty obvious. Then there’s the thousand seal – sounds like something very old and very permanent, burned where it belongs since forever and for forever. And the Mark would be almost like that, but it kind of lacks stability; it’s not a scar, it’s a wound still bleeding, turning Dean from a hunter to a stone-cold killer, making him more of a murderer than a soldier fighthing a good fight – hence the soldier’s woundwort. And even his drinking problem – now, as he is like a fourteen year old, there’s seven years till he can drink again, remember what Sam said? Hell of a detox. Tansy’s anti-parasite properties are a nice addition to this all.
And if I’m reading too much into this, then well, how about a little more too much – tansy essential oil (made of Tanacetum annuum, though, not the most common Tanacetum vulgare) is of a beautiful shade of blue. Darker and much more concentrated than angel’s Grace in a vial, but my mind still wants to see the connection, and we have already seen a fallen (=darker) angel’s powers help revert the effects of Mark of Cain on Dean.
Finally, there’s some additional meaning to what Dean did in the end of the episode. To save people, he decided to come back to his older self, the one affected by the Mark. He burned the witch and also burned the hex bag, which probably contained the herbs. Made it impossible to use the spell again, but what I’m thinking about is – incense. It’s not really medical use, but we’re talking the supernatural here and as far as I know, if you want their magic to work, then burning the herbs is one of the most popular ways to go. This is used for protection, divination and purification of a place or person. And the whole idea of a spell is based on concentrated will of the one who wants to perform it, and balancing the offering and the effect.
When Dean accepted the Mark, he basically sacrificed his humanity to be able to kill Abbadon; the magic worked then. (Kind of like tansy works: you’ll get rid of parasites, but it’s also toxic and you’re probably gonna feel that later. Also, killed worms release toxins of their own.) And now his main goal is getting rid of the Mark, cleansing himself, but he is not going to let other humans be killed to achieve this. We’ve just seen his peace of mind, his chance to be normal again, given up in order to save others; he burned the monster, didn’t let anything more bad happen to Tina, and she got a fresh start that she actually wanted.
There is good coming out of Dean’s actions; the Mark’s still there, but this was already an act of self-sacrifice (which is the Winchester way, as we know, and Dean is a Winchester and it’s his strength, as Charlie had reminded in 10×11). And there is no more powerful offering than this. Maybe it’s the first step, one of those that were supposed to cost Dean dearly, according to Metatron. This thing has to go, then burn it off. Smite me, throw me into the fucking Sun. I know there’s all this river and source yet unexplained symbolism, but I feel all of this – it’s going to end in fire somehow.
I’m borrowing this cap from larinah’s further musings on 2001 and The Hunter Games because the First Blade seems to have a glyph carved in it… that resembles a river… I honestly sort of thought Metatron was just tossing out something that sounded good, a “What do I have in my pocket?” kinda thing… But river imagery really is linked to the Blade….
Huh. There’s a curvy flowing-water looking symbol, and underneath and perpendicular to that there’s something that looks sort of like the zodiac symbol for Aquarius. Water indeed.
That’s actually why I have that screencap!! I’ve posted about that twice, but I didn’t get many takers for discussion, so I’m so happy you brought this back up! I totally think that little symbol means something, because why else bother to have it on there?
Agh, I totally forgot that you posted that. Though apparently I liked it at the time! I need an external hard drive for my brain, I swear.
I feel like we needed Metatron saying “The river ends at the source” to give us more of a hint as to what this might all be pointing to. (I did, I guess, anyway.)
I never saw posts about the symbol before (though I will go read them now) so it must be synchronicity— how cool! I do not like looking at this blade, it makes me uneasy so I’d never noticed before. My issue with this whole riddle (now that I’m convinced it is one) is that Dean paraphrases it and either changes/limits the meaning, or that was The Writers stepping in to clarify that they do mean the river ends at its own source. As it is phrased when Metto says it, it could be open ended— the river will end at the source of what? The glyph is linear. It is not a river flowing back onto itself but forward towards the business end of the blade. Of course I keep thinking about the huge New Madrid earthquake that actually caused the Mississippi to flow backwards…. Ok going to stop until I read the other posts…
Edit: reading. head exploding. totally did not mean to walk on other people’s work, just missed all that I guess… I knew seeing Dean in a prayer pose in front of that telescope that something astro____ was going on….
And when Metatron said it, he started with “Behold”, which makes it sound far more official Word of God language to me. (When I was looking to see if that was an actual Bible quote, I found the very same instance of a river running backwards that you mention. Synchronicity/serendipity indeed!)
So this thing about a river flowing backwards. Now, this is a stretch, but Dean’s story runs a little backwards to Cain’s. Instead of killing his brother, he made a deal to keep him alive. Abel died and is in paradise, Sam was resurrected from hell. Cain made a deal with Lucifer, Sam and Dean tricked him. Didn’t Cain ask Dean to come back and use the blade on him right before he pink-lighted all those demons?….No clue where I’m going with this, just caught up in the difference between an inversion and a cycle I guess…
I don’t know, but since both deathswaywardson and venusdebotticelli have mentioned that Dean is an Aquarius, I’m going to add in here that I’ve had a silly little headcanon about the it being the dawning of the Age of Aquarius rolling around in my brain since Metatron showed up. (I can’t help it, I was born in the 60s :P)
“Traditionally, Aquarius is associated with electricity, computers, flight, democracy, freedom, humanitarianism, Idealism, modernization, astrology, nervous disorders, rebellion, nonconformity, philanthropy, veracity, perseverance, humanity, and irresolution.
Many astrologers consider the appearance of many of these Aquarian developments over the last few centuries indicative of the proximity of the Aquarian age. However, there is no agreement on the relationship of these recent Aquarian developments and the Age of Aquarius.”
Now I don’t have any leanings or interest in astrology at all in real life, but don’t some of those things above remind you of what’s been brought up in the show recently? Computers, freedom, humanitarianism, idealism, modernization, astrology, rebellion, nonconformity, perseverance, veracity, and humanity in particular?
Disclaimer: this post is (extremely long) absolutely off the edge of the map into the realm of out there headcanon and other crap you should not be applying to the show itself because the show itself…
In 1997, when the show had it’s first run, I remember spending an entire week anxiously awaiting the pilot episode after seeing an extended promotional spot for it. Within the first ten minutes of episode one, I was hooked, but…
Carver’s not Whedon in more ways than that and I suspect that’ll play in favor of all fans who want to see Dean and Cas’ endgame realized of being both alive and together/not getting stuck forever on two different planes of existence in the series finale, perhaps right after confessing their feelings.
(Note that /even Joss/ couldn’t kill his darkhorse character in the end, but he sure hit fans hard because in my experience he can be a bit sadistic sometimes just for the effect per se, without it being a /strict/ means to another end. I might end up being wrong of course, but not everyone’s like that).
MAN. If I hadn’t already known Marsters would be back the next season in Angel, the Buffy series finale would have broken me, maybe worse than [REDACTED]. And that is by God SAYING SOMETHING.
In the 1985 movie, Clue, all the characters have been blackmailed by Mr. Boddy. Mrs. Peacock bribed politicians to get votes for her senator husband; Col. Mustard was a war profiteer;…
Dean has always, always use flirtation (and misinterpreting threats as come-ons intentionally) as an aggressive act. He uses the implication of homosexuality to mentally knock down his opponents. It’s a symptom of his deep-seated effemiphobia. Dean strongly believes that only the toughest survive, and it’s impossible to be tough while doing things that have traditionally been gendered as feminine.
The problem is that Dean also really enjoys “feminine” things like dressing well and cooking and childcare, and is a nurturer by nature. He’s also got a feminine cast to his features, with the cheekbones and the lips and the Disney princess eyes, which people have been pointing out in a threatening way for years. And in his line of work, that kind of weakness can literally get you killed. So he buries it under this macho persona, and uses it as a threat against others.
He clings tooth and nail to his own manliness as a talisman that he is tough enough to survive. And if you think a Kansas roughneck in his mid-thirties doesn’t code dude-on-dude sex as “feminine” in his own head, ho boy, do I have some things to tell you.
We have been shown nine seasons of all of that being stripped away to reveal the real Dean. It’s pretty intense character development, and he’s moved away towards a more accepting-of-himself mindset where he sees his “feminine” traits as less of a liability. He’s not all the way there yet, but he’s steadily headed in that direction.
And the “I’m awfully flattered” line is a step in that direction. It wasn’t a denial, or a turn-down, or “You’re cute but I don’t swing that way.” It was still a verbal punch, but it lacked the denial of “I don’t swing that way.” He still used flirtation aggressively, but this time he was the one flirting, not the one turning the guy down as a joke.
It wasn’t, “Wow, you’re totally gay for me, which makes you more feminine than me, which means I’m going to win this fight by virtue of being more manly than you.”
It was, “Even if I was really flattered it wouldn’t matter because I’m still gonna kick your ass because liking dick doesn’t make someone less deadly in a fight.”
Basically, you’re right, and he does use flirtation aggressively. But the way he used it in this instance was remarkably less homophobic and effemiphobic than in the past.