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Dean & Charlie go shopping (x)

this is from the actual show

I’VE NEVER WANTED JOHN TO BE ALIVE MORE THAN NOW

Dean is a supportive shopping partner.

Dean is like that gay best friend :’)

Dean is like that gay best friend

They are each other’s gay best friends

oh god john tho

John: “Dean where have you been all day” 

Dean: “Me and charlie went to the mall and I helped approve of her wardrobe”

John: “….”

Dean: “….”

John: “….”

Dean: “….it’s not as gay as it sounds?”

[muffled from the next room]

Sam: “it’s gayer than it sounds”

Sam: “s’gay”

Sam: “tip of the iceberg really”

Sam: “oh fuck you haven’t met cas yet”

Sam: *distant cackling* welcome to oz bitch

The Castiel shows up, walks up to Dean, stands uncomfortable close and says “Hello” to John and Sam can’t help but leave the room again, cause he’s laughing so hard he’s about to piss himself.

IT GOT BETTER

YOU GUYS ARE PERPETUATING INSULTING GAY STEREOTYPES BECAUSE YOU SO DESPERATELY WANT HIM TO BE GAY TO SATISFY YOUR SHIPS

ALL HE DID WAS APPROVE OF AN OUTFIT CHARLIE ASKED HIM ABOUT

THIS IS OFFENSIVE

AND YOU ALL NEED TO STOP

I wasn’t aware that a bi person or really any person wasn’t allowed to make jokes about stereotypes.

And whether you like it or not, TV works in stereotypes to makes points and shift perception. So yes irl not all gay or bi people like to shop and I think clearly everyone knows that here, I can’t fucking stand shopping. BUT in TV land stereotypes and tropes are how people understand what’s going on then yeah showing a shopping montage of Dean and Charlie going shopping might be trying to say more than “look Charlie needs a suit” and having Charlie need Dean to walk her through flirting with a man when she’s introduced may be more than the necessity of getting past that guard.

And past that there are MANY people who believe Dean is bisexual separate from ANY ship they may ship because there is a lot of situation, tropes and – whether it offends your sensibilities or not – stereotypes that present that as a potential direction for his character AND an issue that he has been dealing with throughout the series. There are WAY more offensive things on this site then playful banter about stereotypes that the show itself is facilitating and that let’s be honest is not really that offensive. But if you personally were offended by Dean going shopping with Charlie and the joke that they’re each others gay best friend then I’m sorry that you feel that way. But saying people are making up the possibility that Dean is bi to “fit our ship” is just not in any way conducive with the truth. People think Dean is bi separate from shipping him with anyone. 

It is completely within your right to not think Dean is bi, to not ship whatever you don’t want to ship and enjoy the show in any way you like.  But people pointing out stereotypes in a tv show is different from pointing out shit irl. If Dean was a real person. Then yeah. I get where you’re saying..but I mean Dean’s not a real person he’s being written by writers and his actions probably aren’t just for shits and gigs.

omfg is this serious

you heard it first here ladies and gents offensive stereotypes are just part of tv and we should all get over it

I’m not here to argue about Dean’s sexuality (although he is canonically straight and these little “dean is bi” posts are largely based on stereotypes, also Dean coached Charlie by telling her to imagine a woman jesus christ is that serious) I’m here to say that bullshit fans need to stop projecting things that don’t exist onto characters using offensive and harmful stereotypes about gay people just because of a fictional pairing

“haha, dean said he liked an outfit, look at all the gay!!!!!!”

a man going shopping isn’t facilitating homosexual tendencies. again, that’s utter bullshit and an offensive (and completely baseless omfg) stereotype

it’s in the same vein as fans who send letters and campaign for a certain ship. they claim they just want lgbt representation, but surprise surprise dean is the only character they believe to be bi despite being able to make the same claims for Sam and Crowley. I can’t imagine why that is. Dean’s being bi is not separate from a ship. take a look at the blogs of people who disagree with me, you’ll see one thing in common. they are USING lgbt representation as a front to get their ship noticed. if they weren’t there are literally thousands of things they could be doing to really help lgbt people, cus believe me, that isn’t one of them

all of it is extremely insulting

Through everything you’ve said I think I can agree with you about the baseline of stereotypes. When shows present “the gay guy” and he’s a flippant high pitched “one of the girls” with too tight pink outfit and a little dog with NOTHING else to his personality other than that he’s gay then we have a problem. Because that’s not a dynamic character. That’s not LGBT representation that’s a cardboard cut out of what society things gay people are shoved in our face 20 different times with no interest in developing them into characters of substance and plotlines that have nothing to do with which way they swing, like straight characters get bare minimum.

I guess where they lines blur is where you see people pointing out something that to you is patched together stereotypes to prove a point we see the show trying to use those same tactics to get those same viewers to see that ohh maybe this person isn’t as straight as he claimed 8 seasons ago when he insinuated a man was hitting on him from the line “get out of your vehicle” joke or not, Dean uses jokes to project his issues and he’s the one that randomly brought up his own sexuality and quantified it to the man when it was a little more than not the time, but honestly we could probably argue about Dean’s sexuality for days and never get anywhere, so I won’t. I have seen, and there are, a lot of complex psychological driven metas about Dean’s sexuality and hyper-masculinity as a facade or mask for his deep emotional issues and insecurities about his sexuality and interests. You don’t seem very interested in the prospect of him being bi so I doubt you’d enjoy them but they do exist. I’ll try to ignore you’re marginally rude tone when there is no need for it since I get that you just straight up don’t agree with me on it. Dean is a complex, deeply developed character that has nothing to do with his sexuality. To show the possibility of a character like Dean to be bisexual or questioning his sexuality//becoming more secure with his sexuality on a tv show without having him come out of the closet is extremely difficult if you don’t use those same stereotypes or at least the same frame work that other queer characters have had before him.

There is a call-out for more LGBT Representation in Supernatural for a number of reasons but I think a lot of it comes from Dean himself and Dean and Cas’ relationship. Dean himself is set up perfectly for a coming out arch. His character, in my opinion, has been set up with that possibility and with those issues set in place since the very beginning. The show being based off of On the Road and Dean himself being based on a bisexual man, Neal Cassidy along with his hyper-masculinity (which comes off as more of a parody of John Winchester than Dean’s actual personality) and his projection of ANYTHING feminine or homosexual onto Sam which usually earns him an eye roll from Sam and such early responses as “Well you are kind of butch they probably think you’re compinsating”. But I mean even if you think it’s a new occurrence did you see what Ben Edlund and Phil Sgriccia said when referring to Dean and Aaron’s scene in 8×13? 

“It was so much fun to shoot that, because he played it so right down the middle like, just more awkward about it like, ”Wow, somebody likes me.” Ben: Well, that’s the weird thing, is that it reads in this weird way where it does feel like Dean’s a little bit like…it’s almost like a romantic comedy kind of fluster. [Phil: Oh sure.] Which is very interesting for the character Dean, like because it just sorta suggests this weird…this potential. Phil: This potential for love in all places.”

I mean whether you don’t want him to be bi or don’t think the fandom wnats him to be bi for the right reasons there is a difference between people “projecting things that don’t exist” and seeing what is there in the same way there is a difference between refusing to see something you don’t want to exist and there being no evidence whatsoever of that thing existing.

Dean being bi WOULD be a big step for the lgbt representation in media because separate from stereotypes Dean Winchester is a very complex beloved characters who’s personality does not revolve around his sexual orientation. Making someone who is NOT a stereotype, who is in fact for some of the guys that watch the show a idol to look up to in terms of “manliness” and “badassness” and to show that Dean Winchester a guy they love who they KNOW is a badass and manly and every stereotype they already have in their head of what a homosexual or bisexual isn’t and show that it’s not true is breaking stereotypes not creating them and it’s getting people to see the world a different way who would not otherwise. People pour their heart and souls into Dean being bi and supporting the writers in them doing that because having someone like Dean and having a couple like Dean and Cas in mainstream society WOULD change people’s minds about what it means to like the same gender, what it means to be gay, what it means to be bi, how sexuality really works and they’d be doing it in a way that is relatable to people who honestly would live in their whole life’s and never change the way they thought. So they are using those stereotypes already burned into people schemas to open up the door so that when they open it they can break them down slowly without the general population feeling like they’ve been blind-sighted.

Honestly talking about Sam and Crowley is a cool conversation. I personally think Sam is secure in his heterosexuality and acts as such and the way they have presented Dean and Sam’s relationship with men is drastically different, the kind of violence that is placed towards Dean is different, and Sam’s entire outlook on sex, love and happiness are different that Dean’s and the kind of meaningful potential and questioning isn’t there for Sam to be queer in any way but if you had anything to share of the topic? Crowley, very much like Meg uses sexualized violence to get what he wants it’s just that whereas Meg is a woman (or is she lbh that’s not her body and she took the girl she possessed’s name there is no real information on her life before she was a demon so in all honestly she could have simply chosen to take female vessels in order to more easily manipulate Sam and drivers to pick her up so she could use them to call back to Azazel) and her sexualized violence towards the male cast is perceived as heterosexuality and Crowley’s sexualized violence towards the male cast is perceived as homosexual when I don’t think either have to do with sex or sexual attraction and have more to do with power (along the same lines as rape)

I get what you’re saying that people could be helping “real queer people” but instead they spend their time wishing people you percieve as straight WERE gay and you think we’re using representation and lgbt rights as a cover for our desire for Dean and Cas to get together when in reality Dean and Cas becoming a canon part of supernatural and dean being bi would become a part of pop culture which shapes cultural perception and shifts popular opinion which in turn helps out “real queer people” (like me). ESPECIALLY since queer people of substance and ESPECIALLY main characters who are queer are usually on shows that are specifically set up to be about those issues or geared towards an audience who already shares those opinions, which doesn’t really help the change the opinions of those who wouldn’t believe a person like Dean COULD even be queer into a person who has to access their own ideas of what it means to BE queer if a person that they already love and respect IS queer and breaks the stereotypes they already have.